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Old 05-09-2000, 09:26 PM   #1
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Post cusco lower rear bar

I saw this at the ISR website. http://www.autocaresubaru.com/cuscorear.jpg

Will this bar help handling? Its only $59
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Old 05-09-2000, 09:41 PM   #2
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If it goes where I believe it does (on the crossmember in the middle of <a href="http://www.wonderlan.com/~hksupra/exhaust%20shot%20under.jpg">this pic</a> (found in an exhaust thread)) then it'll stiffen up the rear end a little, but less then a rear strut brace, I believe.
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Old 05-10-2000, 07:38 AM   #3
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the tag says "lower arm bar"
i do not know where it goes, though...

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Old 05-10-2000, 09:57 AM   #4
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OK I just got off the phone with iSR, the bar bolts to the rear crossmember and runs behind the differential. It does not interfere with anything under the car (i.e. exhaust, sway bar) and is a clean bolt in install, no modifications are necessary. I think I'm gonna order mine!
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Old 05-10-2000, 10:14 AM   #5
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Opie - Please let us know if you feel a difference. Make sure to drive your car immediately before and after install so you have fresh feelings in your mind. Also, if you can, take pics.
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Old 05-10-2000, 10:15 AM   #6
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BLUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

hehe
Hey guys im just as curious as you guys to the outcome of this post.

i have blue cusco rear sway bar, front and rear strut bar and it looks nothing close to that.

my guess is that would be a control arm of some sort
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Old 05-10-2000, 10:16 AM   #7
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I'm wondering how much difference that bar can make. $60 isn't bad for somthing to stiffen up the suspension.
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Old 05-10-2000, 10:33 AM   #8
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OK just placed the order, I should have the bar in about 3 weeks (its coming from Japan). I will do test drives before & after and take pics of the install as soon as it comes in!
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Old 05-10-2000, 10:43 AM   #9
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BTW, Teague has this on his product lineup as well, granted I think it's $5 more, though it doesn't have to come all the way from Japan.
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Old 05-10-2000, 10:08 PM   #10
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Does this attach to the lower portion of the strut, and if so , how do you change camber?
I agree, to stiffen is good but...also , do they have any other color but blue;-)Sevvvvvv
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Old 05-10-2000, 10:25 PM   #11
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I know Hondas have this part too, and apparently it helps with the handling quite a bit. But the idea is that our cars' chassis is already rather stiff...so...we'll just have to wait till Opie gets his and gives us his impressions.
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Old 05-10-2000, 10:40 PM   #12
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Can anyone find a pic of this ACTUALLY bolted up? Or maybe even know of Cusco's homepage? If I had an idea how it bolted up, I could see if I could make myself something like it to test out...
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Old 05-11-2000, 12:04 AM   #13
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I've seen this installed in one of the HyperRev mags, #5 I think. STI also makes some of the same parts, but from the ad's the Cusco are cheaper.
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Old 05-11-2000, 12:14 AM   #14
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o.k

its a rear lower tie bar
(thats the name of it)
to stiffen the rear suspension

it goes right behind the rear diff to reduce body roll,
yeah it works well if you have suspension
not so great with stock suspension but it still does its job

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Old 05-11-2000, 06:38 AM   #15
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From my discussion with iSR the bar attaches directly to the rear crossmember. The mounting bolts are there from the factory; loosen bolts, place bar, reinstall bolts, done...takes about 5 minutes. The bar does not attach to the struts or affect your alignment at all.

Pics & review (ease of install, road test,etc.) as soon as it arrives.
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Old 05-11-2000, 01:47 PM   #16
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Yeah Tarmac it should really compliment all those other "performance" enhancements; clear corners, embroidered head rests, Suby logos on the mirrors...I mean everybody knows that those are tried and true upgrades, no need to try any new fangled parts!

[This message has been edited by Opie (edited May 11, 2000).]
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Old 05-11-2000, 02:43 PM   #17
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You know it Opie, thats because this car is a better performing car than many people give it credit for and for some reason need to change it.

A test of a true driver is to be able to adapt to a car, not keep changing the the car...

I dont claim any performance from decals and embroidery, but if I did, it would prolly sell...
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Old 05-11-2000, 06:05 PM   #18
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And a truely good driver can push the boundaries of the car to its limits, thus the requirement to improve the car so you can push the car even further.

If every car on the road was built and sold with its performance tweaked as far as it possibly could be, then there would be no need or desire for the aftermarket. True, some modifications can hurt performance just as some can improve it. But what makes one person satisfied and content with their car performance, may drive others to take it to the next level.

Just because you do not desire, or feel the need to modify your RS, does not justify your disrespect or mockery to those who do.
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Old 05-11-2000, 07:41 PM   #19
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Modifying with a purpose in mind is one thing, modifying because something costs less than a hundred dollars is definitely in question.

Reinforcing a part of the frame should be the LAST thing someone should be worried about unless they have already reached the limits of the chassis.

Do you disagree that the stock control arm bushings are transferring enuf load to the mounting points that it requires reinforcing?

With EVERYTHING else done, this could be something to consider as worthwhile but thats only on a car that is setup and DRIVEN to those particular extremes.

upgraded tires will show faults of stock suspension

upgraded suspension will show faults of chassis

right on up the food chain...

If your car is setup in a fashion that it will make use of the above mentioned part, then I hope you enjoy it, but for those with a stock car, save this $60something dollars for a smarter purchase.

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Old 05-11-2000, 08:52 PM   #20
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Well it looks like he came back around towards civilized discussion, but that "I'm gonna buy two" post reminds me of a guy who was complaining in a different thread about people whining like 8th graders or old women or something as opposed to offering up constructive criticism or factual information. Now if I could only remember who it was so they could explain why that sort of thing pissed them off so much to Tarmac RS...

As for my take on a $60 mod, if someone can afford to spend the money then the rest of us can benefit from the information gathered, regardless of whether or not the benefits of the mod itsself are negligible or extraordinary. Go for it Opie, and let us know what you think. I personally value your opinion much more than that of someone who carries on an insulting, sarcastic dialogue with themselves to supposedly convey their superior knowledge on cold hard facts such as what many people think the performance of an Impreza is, the test of a true driver, and whether or not the stock control arm bushings transfer enough load to the mounting points. Maybe the guy had a bad day or something.

Normally I'd go put my asbestos woolybear longjohns on and wait for the flames (gotta love a good heated debate ), but I'm gonna hit the rack instead so I can get up early. It's the fishing opener here in Minnesota ya know... I'm sure someone else will want to call me names next week anyway. Have a good one folks!

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Old 05-12-2000, 12:03 AM   #21
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If ya cant beat 'em, join 'em. No need for flames, its all kinda humorous if you dont take it all so seriously.

...or personally

I'm touched that you have committed my posts to memory though.

What it boiled down to before is DEconstructive criticism was the clear winner anyway.

BTW, I had about the farthest thing from a bad day as you can imagine.

Actually I would re-market this thing as something to secure the car to a trailer. Or better yet, use it to tie the rope to when you take your friends skitchin' behind the car next winter.

If someone needs to spend $60 on this thing to gather an opinion on it, well, thats fair. Personally if someone with tweaked suspension but stock bushings really thinks about what is happening under the car in hard cornering conditions, they may opt to save the money.

Others will buy it cuz it says cusco, some will buy it out of spite because they can. This is one 'mod' (in the loosest of terms) that doesnt need to be tested to gather an opinion. BUT it IS the cheapest way to have a cusco prepped car.

Come back and tell us about the one-that-got-away Doug.

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Old 05-12-2000, 12:38 AM   #22
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LMAO!!!!!!

I dont know what it does, but its cheap.

WoW, an added bonus, its Blue!!!

Im gonna get TWO!!!!!

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Old 05-12-2000, 06:34 AM   #23
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You're trying hard to make friends, aren't you Tarmac?
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Old 05-12-2000, 07:05 AM   #24
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I don't recall giving the $60 price tag as my reason for buying it, or the fact that it says Cusco. I merely have gone about stiffening the chassis of my car to compliment my driving style. I have seen a marked improvements after upgrading the suspension (struts & springs), as well as after the rear sway bar & rear strut bar. I hope to see an improvement from the lower tie bar as well. If the control arm mounting points look like they are going to need improvement in the future then they will be addressed with the same vigor as the rest of the suspension.

To each his own, there is no need to talk down to the people who don't share your opinions with childish remarks.
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Cool

The Japanese call it "Ki-Zen" (please forgive my spelling)or continuous improvement. We can all strive to improve
daily, not only our cars but ourselves...and if you are not improving you are loosing;-)
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