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Old 09-21-2000, 03:04 PM   #1
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Question Why the lack of 1/4 mile times? No testing?

I know,I know-here is this new guy stirring the pot already.

There is a big lack of times here.

Same with skidpad,and g recordings.(For those saying that that's not what Sube's are for)

For the heck of it,I will try and postulate,for your collective humour. (scratching my stubble)

1. It's a big secret. Don't want the competition,here or otherwise-to catch on.

2. Afraid that you might be seen as a braggart. Don't worry-I will defend you.

3. Embarassed. On this one-keep in mind that a lot of the 13sec Civic owners are often those that have never been to a track,and add up HP like so: 20hp muffler + 35hp header +15HP open element+ 15hp wires=85 add'l HP,and so on. These cars probably would be happy to run the 15s that many RS' do stock. Now I know that there are 13sec Hondas,and 13sec Sube's. But they are rare,so if you ran a 15,post it. Many stock,hi-mileage (or new 4.6) stangs run 15s-so it's all good.

BTW-my Blown 5.0 ran 13.0's consistently,on low-pro street radials at 111 mph.You can see that with slicks-much better,but I didnt want to frag a c-clip axle.

Just wanted to know what a mod'd Impreza can do,and did a search,and came up dry.


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Old 09-21-2000, 03:27 PM   #2
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I don't think it's as much that people won't post their 1/4 mile times, but not that many Subaru RS owners give a rat's ass about drag racing. Posting times from an auto-x is only valid if you have the times of the fastest and slowest cars to compare against, since the track changes from even to event.

Though I do think Adam Bloom had his in the mid-12's with a Minnam Racing turbo kit. I'm not in any shape right now to pull it out of memory tho.
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Old 09-21-2000, 04:04 PM   #3
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A 12.68s IIRC. It was done by his mechanic, not Adam himself. He drove out, banged out 3 runs, and then left to tear the car apart.
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Old 09-21-2000, 05:19 PM   #4
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I do think that once the Turbo is here, you will see an increase if not a creation of a "fast times" page, something like this one:
http://times.dsm.org

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Old 09-21-2000, 09:52 PM   #5
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Thanks-as far as the Auto-X goes,it is irrelevant unless we all raced the same track. Most can relate to 1/4 mile,and all know what it looks like.

As far as lateral g recordings,that's easy enough to understand. And wouldnt it be relevant to the Impreza,being that handling is a very important part of the car?

And FWIW-I do remember that one guy said he ran a 1/4 mile of 15.22 in his 2.5RS

And we have another here. 1/4 mile runs dont make you a drag racer,but I dont care how well your car handles if it cant go fast,also-you will be seeing tailights at the autocross track if you have a dog for a motor.

This is a tech forum,and without numbers,things are said to be "Bitchen,rad,and feel faster" I think that numbers are important,even if you stopwatch your car to 60.




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Old 09-21-2000, 09:55 PM   #6
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Lateral G measurements are meaningless unless all cars are tested on the same surface because the friction of the surface changes from venue to venue.

I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you about seeing taillights at the autox with a dog motor. Autoxing is driver skill first and a nimble car second. The corners are too tight and the straights are too small for any car to really use a hp advantage. An 18 second 1/4 mi CRX HF could run circles around a Corvette.
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Old 09-21-2000, 10:26 PM   #7
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Maybe you are right,I haven't been to an autocross,but used to race my 5.0 at time trials that they held up at the Lone Pine Airport,and believe me,this isnt a forklift slalom,there were 1/4 mile straights that sure would show the difference between a 1.8 and 5.o with a Supercharger.

As far as the lateral g deal-I agree with you halfway,a good score is a good score,I mean splitting hairs arent we? A Chevy Tahoe isnt going to score 1g,but if you had the 1G number with your Sube-that would be something to talk about.
If there really is no way to quantify good handling and speed,what is the point of a tech forum,without performance quantified?
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Old 09-21-2000, 10:38 PM   #8
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A good skidpad score is a good skidpad score compared to other vehicles tested on the same surface with the same diameter skidpad. Look at Motor Trend... many of their cars score into the .9x range. OTOH, hardly any cars in Road & Track are rated that high.

I'd say that on tarmac, a skidpad number could be + or - .2g or so. What does everybody else think?

-Lateral ~G
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Old 09-21-2000, 10:46 PM   #9
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Yeah, RL,but I doubt anybody here has access to a skidpad. I meant like a G-tech,or something like it. Easy enough. It wouldnt matter if one car was 2/10ths over/under another,because what I would want to know would be something like: what tire pressures did what to the results,and for example "Riding Low said he got a 3/10ths improvement by adding KYB's,or Adam changed to this ratio, and got this MPH instead of that one through the traps.

I guess it doesnt really matter-I came to this site to learn,and yes,I am finding out a lot quick by searching,but performance stuff "by the seat of my pants it felt good" does not justify the 200-300$ out of my wallet.
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Old 09-21-2000, 11:03 PM   #10
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I haven't osted my 1/4 times because I am indeed embarrased by what i ran. Damn Phoenix 100 degree nights!

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Old 09-21-2000, 11:35 PM   #11
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I agree that we should see more 1/4 mile times. I'm not a big drag-racing fan either, but I think some of the Subaru aftermarket companies, on top of dyno'ing their products, should see how much time they can drop off (if any.)
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Old 09-21-2000, 11:36 PM   #12
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15.28 @ 86.01 mph
1.898 60 ft

I'm proud of that 60 ft hee hee...
Not bad with only AFC, pulley and homemade intake right? Oh and the RE92's.
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Old 09-21-2000, 11:45 PM   #13
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If you really wanted the engine specs then wouldn't you want the dyno results (proven results) rather then someones reaction time and gear shifting at a drag strip? Also here in Japan a actual legal drag strip is very very rare. If your going to compare them then it could be done in the local forums where there's a chance that a few other owners went to the same event with their RS's and then you could compare times.
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Old 09-22-2000, 12:16 AM   #14
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Thanks, guys-my faith is restored,and I feel more like I belong.

I'll tell you what-15.28s can certainly stave off threats from 99% of the Honda contingent around here.

Imprezinator-please e-mail me your ET off the board. I think you have a lot of "NA" mods. I could be wrong,and I do understand about the 100deg weather.


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Old 09-22-2000, 12:47 AM   #15
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since I am a EJ22 owner I'll give out my times because I'm proud of the mighty EJ22!

ok '97 L EJ22 sohc. 64000miles on it. runing synthetic everything. no afc, comp add on, oh and it's auto.

0-60: 9.4
1/4 mile: 16.6 @ 83.333

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Old 09-22-2000, 02:27 AM   #16
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N/A: I just suggested that we get to see accleration times AS WELL AS dyno results. Of course, there's no disputing real dyno results, but accleration times (0-60, 1/4 mile) give a better perspective as to what the mod actually does for the car.
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Old 09-22-2000, 07:07 AM   #17
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I'm picking up a gtech this weekend.... will let you know once i figured out how it works. hehehe....
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Old 09-22-2000, 07:53 AM   #18
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How about in-gear times? Compare 30-50 (for low-end) and 50-70 (for high-end) in 4th gear. Slow enough that stopwatch error is no big deal. Eliminates variables such as launch and shifting technique.
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Old 09-22-2000, 04:18 PM   #19
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I'm going to have to agree with RidinLow. I've bested two Ferrari 355s, a supercharged Corba Kit Car, a shifter kart, a race prepped Porsche 944, and everything else at one venue where we autocross. Most of these cars post better 1/4 mile times and better skidpad times. However, on that course on that surface traction is at a premium. The Subaru excels in these conditions.

Plus, its nice to beat a Ferrari in a straight up fight. I wonder if that is how Mika feels on Sunday afternoons.
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Old 09-22-2000, 05:21 PM   #20
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At Moroso, I ran many low 16's which upset me very much. My last run, however, was a 15.943@85.23mph. It was at 9:30 pm, My reaction time was a slow .662 seconds. My 60 foot time was 2.253. My 1/8 mile time was 10.182@68.63mph. My 1000 foot time wad 13.309. The only mod that I had on my RS was a Weapon-R intake and I didn't power shift, which I think would have knocked a few tenths off of my time. The biggest problem is the lack of power off the line. The VHT and all the rubber on the track when you stage is what the car holds on to and doesn't want to let go of. If we want some incredible times then we must have a strong turbo setup. Or a whole lot of initial torque. But, when we get going the engine runs out of steam and I'm left to see my opponent drive past me. A sequential twin turbo setup or a 7,500 RPM shift point will probably make the biggest difference. Proper engine management and strong engine internals is what we need to experiment with to run with the big H and the Diamonds on the 1320.
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Old 09-23-2000, 12:25 AM   #21
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Ok,guys,so it seems that we have 15sec 2.5s right now in the US (stock) and I have yet to see the effects of a cat-back plus intake mods. I would like to know if anybody has seen a dip in time from stock to the change after the mod.

WRXwanna' : I am stoked to see that your 2.2 runs a 9sec 0-60. I stopwatched my 2.2 before and after a drop in K&N,and no noticeable difference. I am happy to see that I too got a 9sec 0-60. I am happy that a 9sec 0-60 doesnt mean a really sad 1/4 mile time of ~17sec,like I feared.

I can live with a 16sec car for a daily driver. We will try to get it in the 15s. That would be nice enough.

The real goal will be an 02' model,with a few thou on it,that is up for sale again. That should take a bite out of that ~25k pricetag,and put it in the hands of a mere mortal like me! Then I can stop playing my PSX Colin Mcrae game for a while and do my homework! LOL

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yea the EJ22 has enough power for daily driving. It's picks up really good. I just need a DMS or Tein suspension and I'll be set
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Old 09-23-2000, 11:08 PM   #23
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I just read a thread claiming a dyno-verified 20hp from the Cobb tuning cams. If that would hold out for the 2.2's as well,plus an air intake,plus the Stro' exhaust,maybe you and I could get our 2.2's close to 200hp? That would be nice. I dont think it would push us into the 13's,but it would make it more fun to drive,no?

I wonder if there are springs that lower at right around 1",without sacrificing travel?

That also would be a good thing....
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Old 09-24-2000, 12:44 AM   #24
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i got a disgustinlg fast 0 to 60 time of 10.3 seconds from my bone stock 1.8L

200hp from N/A 2.2L sorry thats some serious wishful thinkin bro.
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Old 09-24-2000, 01:24 AM   #25
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Hey socal,

I'm not to proud to show my terrible time slips. But, since I've run against Imprezinator, I'm claiming the same excuses as he did (100+ degree weather, 1,300+ ft altitude). That, and I can't drive for *****. I have several time slips in the low 16's. Best run in my practically stock RS is a 16.18 or 16.19 something. Run by a friend of mine. For your amusement, here's a couple of time slips. One is scooby-v-scooby (me and my friend in someone elses RS) and the other is scooby-v-'vette.

Enjoy,

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PS: I've posted several other times. Search for "Firebird International Raceway" (or some subset of it).

PPS: I'm having a real hard time swallowing that 15.28. Hey IMPBOY, is your real name John Force.

I guess if SCC can get 15.7 bone stock, you could probably shave off 0.5 s with the right mods and some racing skill.

[Edit: Typo'd the raceway name. Sorry.]

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