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Old 04-21-2004, 10:30 PM   #1
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Default I don't get this about baseball...

This article got me thinking.

In basketball, a 3-pt basket is the same distance from the hoop in all 29 stadiums. Same with free throws. All courts are the same size and width. In the NBA, a 23-ft shot is a 3-pointer no matter which stadium it's in.

Same with football, hockey, and tennis. All stats are uniform no matter how/where they are earned.

But in baseball, every stadium is built differently. The field is not a uniform size in each stadium/ballpark. How can HR stats be counted uniformly?

For example, a 327 ft shot may he a HR in one park but not a HR in others. I know that's what's unique about baseball...those little quirks like Fenway's Green Wall etc, but that confuses the stat sheet IMHO.


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Old 04-21-2004, 10:34 PM   #2
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Because Baseball is stupid.
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:36 PM   #3
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Because Baseball is stupid.
That's what I was thinking.
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:37 PM   #4
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Because Baseball is stupid.
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:39 PM   #5
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Maybe becuase when the game was played early on, it was difficult and tedious to mesure accuratley, and it just stayed that way.
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:41 PM   #6
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A hole in one varies in length AND altitude in golf.
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:41 PM   #7
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Because baseball, it's players, and parks have evolved over time. I think it's part of the neuance of the game. It makes certain parks hitters, or pitchers parks. Another thing is some parts are ancient, fenway park is like 90 years old. Built in a crowded city, with very little available space.
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:42 PM   #8
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A hole in one varies in length AND altitude in golf.
Right but it's noted where the hole-in-one was made (i.e. what course, what hole, etc).

Also, scores in golf always reflect the course they were played on.
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As do box scores... however thats a single instance, not a 'stat'
you don't see handicaps specifying which courses all the match played to achieve them were on.
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:47 PM   #10
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As do box scores... however thats a single instance, not a 'stat'
you don't see handicaps specifying which courses all the match played to achieve them were on.

Why all the redirection?? It's OK cause they do it?
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:48 PM   #11
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I thought hockey had slightly different sized rinks too? (but I am probably wrong on that).


Anyways, baseball is stupid.

"Maybe becuase when the game was played early on, it was difficult and tedious to mesure accuratley, and it just stayed that way.".... so, umm, baseball has been around for thousands of years then??
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that's what makes it different

and not all hockey was the same. The Boston Garden's ice was much smaller than every other arena in the league.
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Hockey has different sized rinks for nhl and international play, but the bigger thing is dealing with the different ice....some of it is better then others. This is getting OT though.
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that's what makes it different

I know, but stats should be uniform.
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:50 PM   #15
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that's what makes it stupit.

and not all hockey was the same. The Boston Garden's ice was much smaller than every other arena in the league.
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its called home field advantage a good example is the big green in seattle or some of the more windy stadiums in football its mile high stadium that thing acts like a whole nother player on the team.
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its called home field advantage a good example is the big green in seattle or some of the more windy stadiums in football its mile high stadium that thing acts like a whole nother player on the team.

For those games do they just juice up a little more and use corked balls?
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For those games do they just juice up a little more and use corked balls?
No. More steroids are allowed.
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No. More steroids are allowed.

I thought getting caught wasn't allowed?
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Why all the redirection?? It's OK cause they do it?
Redirection? What are you talking about? I'm implyin that there are other sports where 'stats' don't indicate the same exact measure. I think comparing hrs, a baseball stat, to a handicap, a golf stat is apples to apples, and completly revelant. Not all courses are the same distance, holes the same etc. Yet Hanicap is pretty uniformly accepted stat. I also above gave my rational, baseball has evolved over the course of 200 years (give or take). Ball parks have been representative of those changes over time. I'm sure there is such thing as a regulation park,hell all the bases, and mounds have strict measurements. I'm also pretty sure there are regulations on new parks, but they don't require them to upgrade the current parks to those specs. Is that clear enough?
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"Maybe becuase when the game was played early on, it was difficult and tedious to mesure accuratley, and it just stayed that way.".... so, umm, baseball has been around for thousands of years then??
I wasnt implying that baseball was invented before the yardstick.... I was trying to present the idea that when baseball was first being played, no one really cared how far the fence was, and that mentality stuck.
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Redirection? What are you talking about? I'm implyin that there are other sports where 'stats' don't indicate the same exact measure
But he's asking about baseball.
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All sports have this.

You think playing football in Cleveland is December the same as in Dallas in September? Touchdowns scored in each game count the same. There is no correction for yardage on artificial turf, or for rain, ice, snow, wind, temperature, humidity, noise, pollution, or streaking fans.

In fact, at least the dimensions of the stadium stay pretty much the same throughout the game!
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In fact, at least the dimensions of the stadium stay pretty much the same throughout the game!
That's what I'm talking about.
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yeah. lacross scores will differ when played on heathy grass and tight soil and then played on loose soil or poor astroturf.
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