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Old 06-20-2003, 09:18 PM   #1
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My dealer just phoned. My silver 5-speed XT was just unloaded from the truck. I'm headed his way to see it. Unfortunately, they only do delivery preps on weekdays, so I can't actually get it until Monday! Grrrrr.

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Old 06-20-2003, 09:39 PM   #2
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Congrats Jack! My dealer just emailed me and my Silver is ready to go. Just finished with installing the clear bra, 17" wheels, tinting, and WRX pedals. Unfortunately I'm still in Australia through Tuesday so I won't pick up the XT until the next day (I now have a purpose for surviving 30 hours of flights, 3 airport transfers, 14 time zones, and customs). Good news is that my dealer is going to try and install the short throw shifter. I'll post a follow-up with the results.

Wish you had a way to get a digital pic of your XT. If you need a place to host, email it to me and I'll upload it. Cheers mate.
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Old 06-20-2003, 10:52 PM   #3
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Thumbs up Jack...

I bet the first thing you do is set your trip meter, and do a gas mileage check.

In any event, congrats to the both of you, and we'll be awaiting reports...

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Old 06-20-2003, 11:02 PM   #4
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Congrats Jack! You two are making me jealious. No XT in site here. I checked the dealer's back lot again today. No Foresters with hood scoops yet.
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Old 06-21-2003, 02:34 AM   #5
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Congrats Jack! My dealer just emailed me and my Silver is ready to go. Just finished with installing the clear bra, 17" wheels, tinting, and WRX pedals. Unfortunately I'm still in Australia through Tuesday so I won't pick up the XT until the next day (I now have a purpose for surviving 30 hours of flights, 3 airport transfers, 14 time zones, and customs). Good news is that my dealer is going to try and install the short throw shifter. I'll post a follow-up with the results.

Wish you had a way to get a digital pic of your XT. If you need a place to host, email it to me and I'll upload it. Cheers mate.
Good to see the XT's coming in. I have to wonder what 17s you optioned on along with which tires were installed. And of equal importance, are they going to let you keep the 16s?

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Old 06-21-2003, 03:27 AM   #6
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Congrats guys!

Im gonna drag my dad to the dealer to check out the XT and see if he starts leaning towards it... (It would replace his car, so he kind of has to like it, lol!)
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Old 06-21-2003, 03:44 AM   #7
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To go with the black automatic XT my dealer received about 10 days ago, Friday evening he received four more: A gold automatic, two silver automatics, and my silver 5-speed. I dropped everything to go give it a quick once-over, making certain I noted the odometer reading. It shows 2.2 miles, and it better not have more than about 3 at delivery, or I'm gonna wonder who was doing what.


I sat in the driver's seat and noted that the boost gauge does block the lower third of the fuel and temp gauges. However, the steering column has tilt adjustment, and the gauge moves up and down with the wheel. I didn't have time to fiddle, but I'm guessing that if the wheel is dropped as low as possible (a low wheel is my preference anyway) without interfering with legs and without blocking vision of the speedo and tach, then perhaps the boost gauge location will be OK. If not, I'll have to see whether it can be moved to the right of the column.


This dealer's policy is to allow charging up to $5,000 on plastic. My wife will avail herself of that to get airline miles on her Visa account. I don't know how much that's worth, but it's gotta recover some portion of the $100 over invoice that I'm paying for the XT.


I can't tell you how hard it was to walk away and leave the car sitting there in the rain for an entire weekend...


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Old 06-21-2003, 04:07 AM   #8
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Ibizan wrote, "Wish you had a way to get a digital pic of your XT. If you need a place to host, email it to me and I'll upload it. "

I can borrow somebody's digital cam, but now that the logjam is finally breaking, people all over are starting to get their cars anyway. I had calls from two other local Sube dealers earlier in the week; one received a silver 5-speed last Monday, and the second had just received one in red. They'll be popping up all over before long.

First change will be Osram clear Silverstars plus HD harness and relays, plus maybe better bulbs and harness/relay for the foglights. Then a pair of better horns, maybe the Fiamm 130-135 dB Highway Blasters that Peaty uses. If I can figure out where/how to mount 'em, a pair of driving lights. If anyone hears about a front grill replacement that eliminates the thick horizontal crossbars and leaves the radiator inlet wide open, let me know.

I'd like to wire a momentary-on switch to the backup lights and put in halogen 50-watt bulbs for those instances where some yokel approaches from behind with brights blazing.

I'll see if I can find a portable handheld color GPS unit that will tuck (with screen viewable) into the opened dashtop cubby, and still be moveable to other cars, boat, etc.

How many people intend to use synthetic oil in their XTs versus dinosaur saliva? I haven't decided yet. At what intervals do you plan to drain & fill? Anybody swear by (or at) Watter Wetter?

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Old 06-21-2003, 04:21 AM   #9
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Bob chides, "I bet the first thing you do is set your trip meter, and do a gas mileage check. "

Dang right! My break-in routine will be so long, slow, and gentle that my XT will probably never deliver better mileage (tight engine notwithstanding) than during its first two months.

"In any event, congrats to the both of you, and we'll be awaiting reports..."

My reports will be terminally dull compared to everyone else's. I'm going to start with light throttle and a redline of 2500-3000 and add a few hundred more rpm each week. It'll be at least mid-September or October before I finally begin to experience how the XT can perform. It's going to be a long two or three months.

Question about wheels: I hope to locate four takeoff wheels for permanently-mounted snows - alloys if possible, or else 5-spoke steels from the base '03-'04 X. WRXs and current Legacies (and maybe some Imprezas) use 16" wheels with the same bolt pattern. I understand that the Forester's offset differs from Imprezas and WRXs, and that using wheels from the latter might cause a clearance problem. What about wheels from late-model Legacies - are their offsets the same as Foresters, or not?

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Old 06-21-2003, 08:25 AM   #10
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I have to wonder what 17s you optioned on along with which tires were installed. And of equal importance, are they going to let you keep the 16s?
I'll still keep the 16s for winter driving. Couldn't pass up the deal with the 17s, still staying with the Yokohama ultra-high performance line and going with Rota SDR wheels. My dealer is in Eau Claire, WI, small town USA where everyone knows everyone sort of set-up. His sister dates the owner of Revolutions, a local tire/wheel shop so technically I got my wheels through him. He beat any price I could find on the Internet and threw in the mounting for free.
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Old 06-21-2003, 08:27 AM   #11
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First change will be Osram clear Silverstars plus HD harness and relays, plus maybe better bulbs and harness/relay for the foglights.
I'm with you there Jack, doing the Silverstars as well. I think once you go that route you can't ever go back to the standard OEM lights.

Do you know what size bulbs the XT will use? I've been finding better pricing online but want to confirm the bulb size first.
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Old 06-21-2003, 08:49 AM   #12
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You might want to do an Ebay search for "Forester Wheels". I"ve seen them there, several times, and priced quite cheap. They are usually steel however. If I get an XT, next spring (quite likely), I plan on getting an extra set of wheels and mounting a set of Nokian Hakka Q's,
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Old 06-21-2003, 11:48 AM   #13
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If anyone hears about a front grill replacement that eliminates the thick horizontal crossbars and leaves the radiator inlet wide open, let me know.
Jack, you could try to source a Cross Sports grille from Japan:

http://www.subaru.co.jp/forester/crosssports/

There are some other JDM grille options here:

http://accessory.subaru.co.jp/forester/index.html

Hopefully they'd come in a silver to match your car so you wouldn't have to repaint them.

(Edit: Looking more closely at the pictures on those sites, it looks like the bottom edge of the Cross Sports grilles are a little more rounded than the other models' grilles; this may limit the options. Wonder if anyone in Japan could confirm? )

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Old 06-21-2003, 12:20 PM   #14
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First change will be Osram clear Silverstars plus HD harness and relays...
Jack, how involved a process is it for the HD harness/relays? I've never attempted that before and was thinking I could just replace the bulbs with Silverstars. I'm a lighting noob in the purest sense. Cheers.
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Old 06-21-2003, 02:15 PM   #15
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Is it me or that the grille on the blue Forester looks like a Chevy front?



I like the one that comes with the Cross Sports.
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Old 06-21-2003, 02:42 PM   #16
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Ibizan asks, "Do you know what size bulbs the XT will use? I've been finding better pricing online but want to confirm the bulb size first."

Everything I've read says that the 2nd-gen Foresters use H4. I'm going to wait until Monday (after I verify that) before I order mine. I haven't found any Portland stores that carry the nontinted clear European Osram Silverstars, so I guess I'll order from suvlights.com at about $18 (I assume that's per bulb, not per pair). Have you found a better price? I don't want the American Sylvania Silverstars; their blue filters take out everything but blue wavelengths, cutting actual light output significantly.

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Old 06-21-2003, 02:53 PM   #17
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Kullenberg says, "You might want to do an Ebay search for "Forester Wheels". I"ve seen them there, several times, and priced quite cheap. "

You're luckier than I...I see tons of Impreza/WRX/Legacy wheels, but hardly any specifically for the Forester. That's why I'm wondering whether Legacy 16" wheels might have the same offset as the Forester; that would open up the possibilities quite a bit.

"They are usually steel however."

I'd druther have alloys, but for winter wheels that won't be on the car more than a thousand or two miles per season, steelies would be OK. I never mount my winter wheels unless the weather reports call for snow or ice, and then I take them back off as soon as the weather and roads are clear again. Sometimes that means I go an entire season without them, other seasons I might put them on and off two or three times. But done this way, the snow tires last the life of the car, and my studs aren't pounding the pavement quite as much.

" If I get an XT, next spring (quite likely), I plan on getting an extra set of wheels and mounting a set of Nokian Hakka Q's,"

What makes them the best choice for you? And, are they studdable?

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Old 06-21-2003, 03:05 PM   #18
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Lark6 suggests, "source a Cross Sports grille from Japan:"

Thanks for the links. The Cross Sports unit looks to be closer to what I want (maybe without the screen at the back) than either of the two JDM options. Is there nothing like these available from U.S. suppliers?

"Hopefully they'd come in a silver to match your car so you wouldn't have to repaint them."

That would be ideal, although chrome would also work (the stock 2nd-gen Forester grille has a thin chrome bead surrounding the leading edge of the opening).

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Old 06-21-2003, 03:40 PM   #19
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Kullenberg says, "You might want to do an Ebay search for "Forester Wheels". I"ve seen them there, several times, and priced quite cheap. "

You're luckier than I...I see tons of Impreza/WRX/Legacy wheels, but hardly any specifically for the Forester. That's why I'm wondering whether Legacy 16" wheels might have the same offset as the Forester; that would open up the possibilities quite a bit.

"They are usually steel however."

I'd druther have alloys, but for winter wheels that won't be on the car more than a thousand or two miles per season, steelies would be OK. I never mount my winter wheels unless the weather reports call for snow or ice, and then I take them back off as soon as the weather and roads are clear again. Sometimes that means I go an entire season without them, other seasons I might put them on and off two or three times. But done this way, the snow tires last the life of the car, and my studs aren't pounding the pavement quite as much.

" If I get an XT, next spring (quite likely), I plan on getting an extra set of wheels and mounting a set of Nokian Hakka Q's,"

What makes them the best choice for you? And, are they studdable?

- jack
The Forester LL Bean in Japan has Outback style wheels on it, I wonder if they're just wheels from their Outback models anyway.

Why not look into the Nokian WR All Seasons and you can ditch the extra set of snow tires?
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Old 06-21-2003, 03:46 PM   #20
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Ibizan writes, "Jack, how involved a process is it for the HD harness/relays? I've never attempted that before and was thinking I could just replace the bulbs with Silverstars. I'm a lighting noob in the purest sense."

First: The European Osram (and American Sylvania) Silverstar bulbs draw exactly the same wattage as OEM headlamps. They produce slightly more light overall, and noticeably more in the "hot spot", mainly because of filament improvements plus the higher-pessure gas mix that incudes a little Xenon, permitting their filaments to reach a hotter, slightly whiter temperature. Therefore, because they use the exact same wattages, it isn't necessary to install a harness and relays to use Silverstars.

However, OEM non-relay headlamp circuits (because of thin wiring and current losses at switches) often reduce the available voltage at the headlamps, giving you less light output for any given bulb. This can be determined by measuring the voltage at the headlamp pins and comparing it to voltage at the battery. If there's more than a half-volt drop, a good harness with relays (which feed the headlamps directly from the battery using heavier-gauge wiring) will probably improve your illumination even without changing your stock bulbs.

If you do both upgrades (changing bulbs to Osram Silverstars or similar Phillips bulbs - but ONLY in clear, never blue-tint) AND your wiring (with harness and relays), you ought to get considerably better actual illumination on the road even without going to higher-wattage (illegal) bulbs. Whether this combination is adequate or not will depend a great deal on how good the 2nd-generation Forester's headlamp shells (lens, reflector) are. If they're decent, these two upgrades should be sufficient. If they're typically crappy DOT junk, then it might also be neccessary to import a pair of E-code headlamp shells from non-North-American Foresters and swap them in. In fact, if you're really fanatical about these things, you might want to look into buying a pair of Forester E-code units in your last day or two down under and bringing them home with you.

There's a bona fide automotive lighting expert on the Web. I don't have his link here at home, but do a Google search for "Daniel Stern Lighting" - you should find his site. He is extremely knowledgable, and his website has a ton of very useful whitepapers and FAQs. He also is very willing to answer e-mail questions; he and I have been carrying on a dialogue for a month now as I have slowly been educating myself on current state-of-the-art lighting.

Stern sells the stuff to make your own wiring harness (in other words, he can supply the connectors, plug-ends, relays, and so forth; you buy the 12-gauge or 14-gauge wiring (depending on bulb wattage) locally and assemble the harness. The main advantage of doing it his way is that each run of wiring is exactly the necessary length and no more (shorter is always better, to reduce resistance and voltage drop). That's probably not terribly difficult, especially if you're willing to solder the connections as he advises - (providing even lower voltage drops) - but to me it sounds like slightly too much hassle. He also sells Osram Silverstars and a wide range of Phillips, Narva and other best-available bulbs, at about the same prices I see elswhere.

Alternatively, suvlights.com sells nifty ready-made harnesses (for specific bulb types), already fully assembled. Cost runs about $50-$75 depending on wire gauge and whether you want dual relays or single (wire gauge and number of relays is mainly a function of how much wattage your intended bulbs will draw). "Standard" single relay 14-gauge harnesses are perfect for OEM wattages (which includes all Silverstars) and maybe up to 80-90 watts. Anything beyond that (such as 100-130 or 130-160 watt) and you probably ought to get their HD harness with 12-gauge wires and dual relays. The disadvantage of a ready-made harness is that, because it is meant to be used on a variety of vehicles using a common bulb type, the lengths of the wiring runs will be longer than necessary in most cases. Extra wiring means slightly greater resistance and voltage drop.

Installation of a ready-made kit ought to be a piece of cake. The nifty thing is that they come with "reverse-gender" (male) H4 plug-ends. This means you don't have to cut a single wire, and if necessary you can easily remove the entire harness and revert to the unmodified standard setup. Installations consists of: (1) unplug the female connectors from your headlamp bulbs and plug those ends into the mating male ends on the wiring harness (the original headlamp circuit now supplies just the low-drain triggering circuit current for the new relays, so your original headlamp and dimmer switches work exactly as now), (2) connect the relay(s) to the battery positive post (this hot line comes with an inline fuse), (3) plug the female plugs at the other end of the harness directly to your H4 bulbs, (4) connect two ground wires from those connectors to good, clean ground points, (5) mount the relays someplace, and (6) use wire-ties to tidy up the lay of the new wiring - and you're done.

The suvlights harnesses already even come with protective plastic tubing enclosing all of the wiring! I think even a klutz like me could do the install in 15-20 minutes, max. There is one peculiar thing about Subaru lighting circuits that needs to be accomodated, but at the moment I've forgotten what it is. But for that reason, suvlights.com sells a harness specifically for Subarus that takes this quirk into account. I think it's around $60-65.

Hope this helps a little.

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Old 06-21-2003, 03:58 PM   #21
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Mach_six asks, "Why not look into the Nokian WR All Seasons and you can ditch the extra set of snow tires?"

That would be worth considering if I lived in the flatlands. Unfortunately, I'm directly in the midst of very steep hills, and every few years we get severe ice conditions. I hate being trapped (either inside my neighborhood unable to get out, or outside unable to get in). I don't think even Blizzaks would provide enough traction to reliably, safely get in and out, and no all-season year-round tire will come even close. For me, studs are the only way to go, and I simply keep them on the car only as long as absolutely necessary.

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Old 06-21-2003, 04:33 PM   #22
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Unfotunately, the WR does not come in an OEM size for the Forester, the closest is 225/60/16, but, having said that, they are winter rated. Nokian has a new web site, in which you can enter the vehicle, and it will come back and tell you what tires they have that will fit, and where they are available. http://www.nokiantires.com/
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My dealer just phoned. My silver 5-speed XT was just unloaded from the truck. I'm headed his way to see it. Unfortunately, they only do delivery preps on weekdays, so I can't actually get it until Monday! Grrrrr.

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Right on! congrats. I also drive a new XT w/the Manual.. Just broke it in...sweet drive.
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