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Old 04-27-2004, 11:01 PM   #1
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Post For Swap: Axis vs ISpeed vs COBB??

Lets see whos who of engine builders.
Axis vs I-Speed vs COBB vs Others

Reviews? Specs? Any comparison info? Suggestions?


Looking for a swap engine for my 2.0 2002 WRX.
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Old 04-27-2004, 11:14 PM   #2
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How much money are you looking to spend? How much power are you looking to make? What are you goals? Where do you want the power? Do you like to rev or low end tq? And seach under each of thier names with motor or block you will come up with the info you are looking for.

Heres a list of the builders...

www.rallispec.com
www.magnusmotorsports.com
www.payntechnologies.com
www.rigoliracing.com.au
www.spdusa.com
www.i-speedusa.com / www.crawfordperfomance.com
www.cobbtuning.com
www.axispowerracing.net
www.lachutesubaru.com



Email each of them and tell them what you are looking for and see what they say. But only if you are realy thinking about spending $8 to 15k on a built block because thats what its going to cost.

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Old 04-28-2004, 12:03 AM   #3
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8k.... woah woah toto.... thats nowhere near a bottom end cost for a built block. If he wants to stay with something like a 2.2l and maybe get some cams he can get by with around 5k.

I like the guys at Axis cus they are good guys and very good at what they do!! So, there's my opinion. I would get together the money that you wil lbe able to spend on the motor and then decide on what your goals are power wise... then call Axis or Magnus if I had to choose two with both you cash flow situation and your goals. They will set you up with something that will make you happy.

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Old 04-28-2004, 12:09 AM   #4
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Cobb Tuning is good, but if you don't want to wait 3 months for your new motor, I suggest look somewhere else, as Cobb is very slow.
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Old 04-28-2004, 12:13 AM   #5
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thank you.. around 5k - 6k was what i am expecting.
8k seems pushing it to the top.

thank you very much for all those links. Axis was my 1st choice
mangus looks good anyone running a mangus setup?
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Old 04-28-2004, 12:15 AM   #6
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Did a search for mangus.... found nothing on this forum.


Any links for people running this setup?
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Old 04-28-2004, 12:15 AM   #7
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Hey woodruf,
Are you looking for a longblock... shortblock... shortblock with modified stock heads... etc??

What are your goals if I might ask?

Oh, and not maNGus..... its maGNus... hehe

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Old 04-28-2004, 12:22 AM   #8
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goals: 350 WHP

my wrx is also a daily driver. I am going to be getting into autox and track days in the near future so i would like to prepare for that. I do drive my car hard and tow a 2004 RXP jetski with it (1000lbs)
so i would like a strong block so this sort of thing does not happen.

shortblock with forged internals
ill upgrade the turbo, TMIC, injectors, and fuel pump when the swap is done.
i have a UTEC and will be doing the tuning at probably vishnu where my car was previsiouly tuned.
will the stock ecu need to be swapped in order to accomidate the larger engine?
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Old 04-28-2004, 12:23 AM   #9
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hahaha... fat fingers... MAGNUS.
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Old 04-28-2004, 12:25 AM   #10
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Just for your input.

I am waiting for my stage 4 short block from Axis.

I have been talk to Ron from Axis and Quirt from Crawford. Both are responsive and their short block stage prices pretty close.
They are very nice, willing to discuss and answer any question include my stupid questions too.

I think if you spend around $6500 for short block and head parts with JUN cams will be more than enough (exclude instalation and setup fee) unless you are heading for drag race championship.

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Old 04-28-2004, 12:29 AM   #11
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If I might suggest something...

Stage IV block



JUN or STi cams... whatever Ron reccomends

That would be a killer motor at a REASONABLE price... now you would have to buy all the little ancillary crap and put it together yourself. But, if you have a good friend with the know how if you dont know how then its all good.

Thats my 2 cents FWIW,
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Did a search for mangus.... found nothing on this forum.


Any links for people running this setup?

Try to contact Nathan from TurboXS. He runs magnus motor.
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Old 04-28-2004, 12:39 AM   #13
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One question I need answered and probably alot of people need answered is the semi-closed and closed decks.. people are stating they are going with axis 2.2 instead of the 2.5 because of this… what the heck does this all mean.
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One question I need answered and probably alot of people need answered is the semi-closed and closed decks.. people are stating they are going with axis 2.2 instead of the 2.5 because of this… what the heck does this all mean.
The different is the structure of the block. Closed deck suppose to be able to hold more boost than semi or open deck. To see and learn about the diferences you can go to Axis website and check the short block photo on 2.2 and 2.5. You will see the different there. Enjoy
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Old 04-28-2004, 12:53 AM   #15
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WOW.... i definitly see the difference! seems the 2.2 (2.35) would be much more reliable for my situation.
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WOW.... i definitly see the difference! seems the 2.2 (2.35) would be much more reliable for my situation.
That's why I chose stage 4 short block. I think that more than enough for me. Now I have headache to choose good turbo for the block ...
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Old 04-28-2004, 12:58 AM   #17
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I wouldnt worry about the 2.5 block for that reason too much... It has stood up to some pretty impressive numbers to date. I even would go to say that the pistons are pretty damn good too. Hell the 2J supra has the same type pistons... the SRT-4 has the same... the 4G63 from the EVO and the GS-T and GSX Eclipses and variants of them have the same hypereutectic pistons. Yes all those motors are made incredibly different than ours but there are a few similarities. Anyways, I will continue to push the 2.5 but I have to say that the 2.2 IS tried and true. It is a major stout motor and not too expensive.

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Old 04-28-2004, 02:07 AM   #19
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I had rallispec put an 02 ej20 in an 01 RS, they did an awesome job.
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I had rallispec put an 02 ej20 in an 01 RS, they did an awesome job.
Did you buy JJs old car? JJ aka Bentley Dealership, if so.. He had Rallispec do the swap.
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Old 04-28-2004, 07:50 AM   #21
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goals: 350 WHP

Ej257 US STi block or ej22t with pistons. You dont need a built $3 to 4k block with your power goals. Some head work, and a ej22 with pistons(my pick) or ej257 will do it easy. The ej257 if you like low end tq the ej22 if you want a revy motor. Its all in your driving style.
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8k.... woah woah toto.... thats nowhere near a bottom end cost for a built block. If he wants to stay with something like a 2.2l and maybe get some cams he can get by with around 5k.

Well ya for just a bottom end but my price throws everything in, the turbo, tuning, injectors, install, shipping, ..... , about 1K in just stupid things that pop up during a swap like this. Cams well what kind? Juns are going to run $1200, and the only other good ones( spec C, ver8) are going to be harder to find then a wrx doing 9s in the 1/4. And its stupid to throw $1200 jun cams on piss ant stock wrx heads.
Once you factor in all that other crap my price quote is low... hell a getto gtx swap into a 323 done at home came to $9k when all is said and done.
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But only if you are realy thinking about spending $8 to 15k on a built block because thats what its going to cost.

So, that means everything else included?? I also think that the USDM STi cams do pretty damn good at what they are meant for. I would venture to say that with bigger displacement that they would probably make fore more area under the curve than 264s and maybe 272s but prolly not. Are you as much against WRX heads as you are headers or something?? JUN cams in WRX heads is a big difference. Hell, they were made for WRX heads. I think that with the 2.2l or the 2.35 he will be just fine with WRX cams with any of the said cams... STi's, Spec C's, 264, 272, maybe even USDM STi's in WRX heads. No, he might not make the last 15 hp that a GREAT set of heads would but I think he would be okay with them. Woodruf, I would call Ron today and do just like I said and tell him your money situation and your goals. He will fix you up with everything you need for a good deal.

Just my opinion
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JUN cams in WRX heads is a big difference. Hell, they were made for WRX heads.
I didnt say they would, I said it doesnt make sense to put $1200 cams + the cost of a new valvetrain in stock, small port, heads. And the juns were made for ver5 and 6 STis with LARGE port heads.

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I think that with the 2.2l or the 2.35 he will be just fine with WRX cams with any of the said cams... STi's, Spec C's, 264, 272, maybe even USDM STi's in WRX heads. No, he might not make the last 15 hp that a GREAT set of heads would but I think he would be okay with them.
Ya, they will work, and would be fine. But say picking up a 2.5 sti block or ej22 with pistons and spending some money on porting will make a huge difference and be a hell of a lot cheeper then getting cams. A port and polish is going to cost ~1200, same as just the jun sticks, but with the P&P you dont need the $1200 valvetrain upgrades. A set of spec C heads is going to set you back around $2k and thats the only way you are getting thoes cams.

The duration matters more then the lift so the juns will own the US STi cams which have the same duration as the wrx, with just a little more lift. The spec C and ver8 cams would be better then the US STi...


See... im from the do it once and do it right mind set. What good is a $4k short block with an 8.5k redline on stock weak heads(with a ~7500 limit; that wont make make power after 6k)?
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[quote]I didnt say they would, I said it doesnt make sense to put $1200 cams + the cost of a new valvetrain in stock, small port, heads. And the juns were made for ver5 and 6 STis with LARGE port heads. [quote]

Hmm, that's weird cause the V6 head castings are the same as the USDM wrx, SMALL port. The only V6 with Large port heads is the V6 STI RA, and I've never even seen any hard proof of that.

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[quote]Originally posted by SonicYelloWRX
[quote]I didnt say they would, I said it doesnt make sense to put $1200 cams + the cost of a new valvetrain in stock, small port, heads. And the juns were made for ver5 and 6 STis with LARGE port heads.
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Hmm, that's weird cause the V6 head castings are the same as the USDM wrx, SMALL port. The only V6 with Large port heads is the V6 STI RA, and I've never even seen any hard proof of that.

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The wrx heads are v6 castings, but the ver5/6s from japan had large port heads, we dont.


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My STi 5 heads are large port.

Same on my MY00 (last GC8) Euro turbo.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...o&pagenumber=3
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