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Old 04-28-2004, 01:51 PM   #1
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Default F1's Silly season starting really early...Villeneuve to Williams?

Villeneuve on Williams' list
Former World Champion could renew his partnership with Williams Grand Prix


Could Villeneuve soon be seen in a Williams cockpit again?


Jacques Villeneuve could return to Formula 1 with Williams, the team he drove for in his 1997 World Championship winning season, according to Autosport magazine.

Villeneuve has been out of the limelight since being dropped by BAR at the end of last year, but Autosport's sources say that the Canadian is on Williams' 2005 driver shortlist.

No firm decisions on 2005 drivers at Williams are expected until the second half of the season, when current F1 drivers' positions become clearer.

Villeneuve's chances of re-joining Williams also depend, it is said, on Ralf Schumacher leaving the team.

For the full story see this week's Autosport magazine.
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Old 04-28-2004, 02:14 PM   #2
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why the hell did villeneuve leave williams in the first place anyway?
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Old 04-28-2004, 02:19 PM   #3
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Millions and Millions of dollars. He was one of the top paid F1 drivers at BAR, even though he pretty much sucked while there.

I hope he doesn't get the seat.
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Old 04-28-2004, 02:31 PM   #4
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There are people like JV who are just fast drivers and there are people like MS who are not only fast but also understand the car they are driving AND can work with engineers to effectively improve the car.

Its kinda like that thread where some tuner guys were raving about Gary Sheehan making changes to a STI and getting faster and faster.....he not only drives fast, but knows how to make the car faster......................

Jacques Villeneuve cannot tell Williams how to improve the car, only whether he is fast in whatever he's given...................
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Old 04-28-2004, 02:32 PM   #5
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how do you come to this conclusion?
maybe the BAR car was just that bad and they didn't have the engineering talent to fix it?


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There are people like JV who are just fast drivers and there are people like MS who are not only fast but also understand the car they are driving AND can work with engineers to effectively improve the car.

Its kinda like that thread where some tuner guys were raving about Gary Sheehan making changes to a STI and getting faster and faster.....he not only drives fast, but knows how to make the car faster......................

Jacques Villeneuve cannot tell Williams how to improve the car, only whether he is fast in whatever he's given...................
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Old 04-28-2004, 03:00 PM   #6
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how do you come to this conclusion?
maybe the BAR car was just that bad and they didn't have the engineering talent to fix it?

Button's performance in BAR this year seems to demonstrate otherwise.
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Old 04-28-2004, 03:15 PM   #7
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I oversimplify JV a little bit....BUT, AND the BAR was just bad....

engineer's don't drive cars in F1....JV or Panis or Button need to say explicitly WHY the BAR is bad.....like: " Gee Hank, the chassis seems to push on entry and then loses mechanical grip on exit and oversteers uncontrollably on power on exit...I think there's a serious problem with chassis flex somewhere near the front end...maybe we should look at the upper control arm integration..."

Not this, which I paraphrase: "...the car is just awful....I can't drive it...I'm just reacting to it....I can't seem to drive it, I'm just along for the wild ride.....I'm mad at the world............."

perhaps it should be reworded as : Sometimes, depending on JV's mood and whether he feels threatened he doesn't always communicate well with the engineers.
IMO, JV does not work effectively and proactively....

BTW, I'm no insider and my sources, mostly british f1 rags, conclude the very same thing.................
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Old 04-28-2004, 03:39 PM   #8
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why the hell did villeneuve leave williams in the first place anyway?
JV was very outspoken in the press, and criticized everything that he didn't like about F1. This wasn't acceptable behaviour according to Sir Frank. I'm really surprised that he would even consider signing him again.


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I oversimplify JV a little bit....BUT, AND the BAR was just bad....

engineer's don't drive cars in F1....JV or Panis or Button need to say explicitly WHY the BAR is bad.....like: " Gee Hank, the chassis seems to push on entry and then loses mechanical grip on exit and oversteers uncontrollably on power on exit...I think there's a serious problem with chassis flex somewhere near the front end...maybe we should look at the upper control arm integration..."

Not this, which I paraphrase: "...the car is just awful....I can't drive it...I'm just reacting to it....I can't seem to drive it, I'm just along for the wild ride.....I'm mad at the world............."

perhaps it should be reworded as : Sometimes, depending on JV's mood and whether he feels threatened he doesn't always communicate well with the engineers.
IMO, JV does not work effectively and proactively....

BTW, I'm no insider and my sources, mostly british f1 rags, conclude the very same thing.................
Very well stated.
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Old 04-28-2004, 03:45 PM   #9
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Button's performance in BAR this year seems to demonstrate otherwise.
Some of that is "right place, right time" for Button. Honda's engines got more powerful and reliable, the aero package got a lot better and the Michelin tires helped. Were it not for those red cars, BAR would be the class of the field.

That whole rebel thing got a little old for Villeneuve. What's interesting is to watch him during his Williams years, with tidy drivers suit, tidy hair, tidy comments during press conferences. He really cut loose with BAR.

Last year, however, BAR were really bad. The credit for this year should go as much to David Richards as to Jenson Button, methinks.

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Old 04-28-2004, 04:56 PM   #10
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meh. Villeneueve won with a fast car. The Williams at that time was the standard to beat. Ferrari was......not. With a clearly inferior car, Schuey still managed to stick it to him all the way till the end. Would JV have done the same with a car swap? Negatory. Let him retire in peace with his hot trophy wife. Time for Patrick Head to bring in some fresh blood. I'd dump both drivers JPM (mostly 'cuz he has to) and RS ('cuz he's a tool). My short list would be

1) Webber
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3) Valentino Rossi
4) me.

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Old 04-28-2004, 05:29 PM   #11
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Actually - as I recall - Villeneuve left Williams to help START UP BAR asn a part owner. Certainly his management company and his business manager were part of teh start-up crew for BAR.

With indy and F1 championships in qucik succession, (CART in 95 and F1 in 97) the can be no question that Villeneuve is a talented driver. (Look at Michael Andretti's efforts in F1)

Does the car play a factor in the results ... you betcha. But in a game of tenths ... a driver can't claw everything back.
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Old 04-28-2004, 05:38 PM   #12
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that would be silly indeed

i think even webber would be a better choice
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Old 04-28-2004, 10:14 PM   #13
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With indy and F1 championships in qucik succession, (CART in 95 and F1 in 97) the can be no question that Villeneuve is a talented driver. (Look at Michael Andretti's efforts in F1).
JV is or was a talented driver but the Williams was the car to beat and he reaped the rewards, kinda like Damon Hill. IIRC Andretti joined a McLaren team that was on the decline and had underpowered Ford motors. Plus he flew by Concorde every time instead of living over there. If Andretti was fully commited and in a better situation, he would've done well in F1, but coulda, woulda, shoulda...
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Old 04-28-2004, 10:55 PM   #14
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JV is or was a talented driver but the Williams was the car to beat and he reaped the rewards, kinda like Damon Hill. IIRC Andretti joined a McLaren team that was on the decline and had underpowered Ford motors. Plus he flew by Concorde every time instead of living over there. If Andretti was fully commited and in a better situation, he would've done well in F1, but coulda, woulda, shoulda...
Damon Hill was one of the main reasons Williams was so dominant, he was their test driver before becoming the teams second driver and was brilliant at that role. He then lead the team through it's darkest days following Senna's death and developed a car even Senna couldnt drive quickly into a championship challenger, that later became the class of the field. Damon may not have been the most naturally gifted driver out there, but he worked his ass off and took the fight to shuey when no one else could. He gets a raw deal from people who dont understand the complexities of the sport IMHO. Damon also happens to be a laugh, has a great personality and is very humble. Top bloke in my book.

Andretti was a spoilt brat who didnt have an ounce of desire to win, he had the oportunity to learn from the best team and driver in the sport and he blew it big style. The guy was an idiot, i am surprised Ron Dennis didnt kick him out of the car after the first race, because he showed no comitment and didnt deserve the chance to drive in such a great team as McLaren.

I hope you guys got to see the documentary series on McLaren during the season Andretti was driving for them, quite an eye opener at just how rubish he was.
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Old 04-29-2004, 06:56 AM   #15
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I think we have to look at another reason why BAR is so good this year. They finally have some $$ to spend on technical help rather than on a blowhard driver going through the motions.

David Richards tried to get Jacques to reduce his salary the past couple of years and Jacques refused. Now that the $$ has been freed up, they've hired other staff that has improved the car. Honda's horsepower this year is also very impressive.
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Old 04-29-2004, 10:05 AM   #16
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I recall JV stating that he wanted a new challenge when he moved to BAR, so that and the money I'd say were his main reasons for leaving. grandpa rex is absolutely right, Richards asked JV to surrender some of his salary to help the team, JV refused.

Regardless of whether the BAR was crap or not, the age old F1 barometer of comparing teammates still applies. A driver of JV's repuation should have looked better than he did against Zonta (expecially when JV got Schumacher-like #1 treatment from BAR) and Panis. Last year he was throughly outclassed by Button.
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Old 04-29-2004, 07:20 PM   #17
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I hope he gets the drive. He definitely makes the sport more interesting, even as a previous back marker. He'd be a good publicity move for Williams right now. Whether it's positive or negative, it's all publicity. Look at the support they would get in Montreal alone.
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Old 04-30-2004, 10:47 PM   #18
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Feh. JV is a wanker.

If you want more interesting characters in F1, tempt Eddie Irvine back into the game.

Watching JV's superiority complex whining antics for a whole season, all while being creamed by the teammate he insulted and berated as second class totally turned me off to him. Forever.

Sir Williams is usually super discriminating about his drivers, I doubt he'll take him back...
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yeah me too. He's a butthead.
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Old 05-01-2004, 09:05 AM   #20
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If you want more interesting characters in F1, tempt Eddie Irvine back into the game.
This is what I'd like to see as well. They are both complainers, but at least Eddie is amusing.
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Old 05-01-2004, 01:19 PM   #21
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Irvine is a self rightgeous dick! He once said that if he could choose to be anyone else on earth he would pick himself. Punk!
I would like to see DC or Webber get the job. I would like to see Webber stay at Jag though and build it up Shumi style. I think he is very capable of getting thr right people to do the job around him. I would even the old Toyota team of Salo or McNish. There are way to many talented whorty drivers to pick the a-holes.
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