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Old 03-25-2004, 09:17 PM   #1
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Just wondering what made all of you decide on your Suburu? And why? I am sure this comparison has been done in an old thread, but I would be interested in your more recent 2003-2004 experiences.

I have finally decided to buy a WRX very soon, but I also liked the RSX and SRT-4 for certain reasons, but not as much as the 2004 WRX.

Also...How is the WRX clutch on the knee. I want a stick, but have had minor knee problems in the past that cleared up when I went back to an auto. Ohhh what to dooo?

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Old 03-25-2004, 09:30 PM   #2
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For the AWD performance and reliabilty..and the fact that the Neon isn't known for it's longevity..I have 50K miles on my 02..the only problem I've had is a 02 sensor failure.
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Old 03-25-2004, 09:36 PM   #3
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I like the subaru's clutch, it has a very short distance to engage so its easy to drive, and isn't stiff or anything like that. As far as handling/cornering goes, The other two do not compare.... all wheel drive is a blast to drive. I never have to worry about spinning tires in the rain like a front drive car. And when it snowed, I had to purposely try to break it loose to lose traction. I have 17k miles and only problem was loose cable on the trunk release in the cabin.
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Old 03-25-2004, 09:41 PM   #4
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There is a MAJOR debate in the Factory 2.0 Turbo Forum.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...highlight=srt4

WRX vs. SRT-4. It got really irritating. Fact is all the car have their strong and weak points. FWIW, I REALLY hope this thread doesn't do that. As a true enthusiast, as many of us are, I have respect for all these vehicles. Except Hondas J/K
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Old 03-26-2004, 02:06 AM   #5
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FWD just feels so... limited, and scary after driving the WRX. You really need big cajones and skill to drive a RSX/SRT-4 to the max...

The WRX is much more forgiving with its drivetrain.

Also, as a fairly tall and lanky individual, i do occasionally have knee clearance issues, but it can be sorted out with adjusting position and height of the seat... My legs aren't perfectly straight either, as i find it easier to do heel-toe shifting with my right leg at an angle.
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Old 03-26-2004, 02:23 AM   #6
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i personally hate the driving characteristics of fwd cars. they understeer, torque steer, spin the inside front wheel, wheelspin at take off under hard acceloration or in rain. even though an awd system is less efficient in power delivery compared to 2wd, that efficincy is made up in instances where you would normally have to feather the throttle and slowly regain traction. you also cannot control the attitude of the car as well with the throttle during cornering. the only way you can really bring the rear end of the car around is if you lift throttle mid turn or trail brake really hard. id rather be able to control and maintain a drift than merely plant the gas and try to steer out of it. i get more aggrevated than anything else when i drive fwd cars. thats one of the biggest reasons i bought my wrx, but not the only reason.
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Old 03-26-2004, 03:41 AM   #7
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I don't know...if I had to do it all over again I'd have done a 2g eclipse gsx and swaped a 1g or a cyclone into it, and had lots of money every month for mods. I like my suby but it is a pain on the pocketbook and there are more and more of them out there all the time. Plus it kinda sucks that you pay so much for a car and you'd be lucky to get anything done under warranty if you're under 30 years old. That's why I said screw it and started modding my car, if something breaks I'm stuck with the bill anyway so might as well.

There are two things that's kinda scary about owning a WRX too.
The first is how many broken trannies that I'm seeing and how common it is to see a stg4 car blow thier motor. Is it me or is this starting to get a little troublesome. I'm really not sure if I'd like to do a stg4 until I can beef up the internals. Anyhoo I'd still take the WRX over the RSX anyday, and if I didn't like the twisties so much I'd definitly own a SRT.
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Old 03-26-2004, 04:06 AM   #8
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The other drawback to the WRX i personally believe is the difficulity in modifying into the "heavy" stages...

People with civics, evos, and other more traditional engines can easily (relatively) get access to the engine internals, swap em with better stuff, and do engine mods or swaps.

With the WRX, you generally need a very experienced group of guys, or shops to do heavy duty stuff.... whereas in the honda world you have teenagers putting together their internals, which also happen to cost a LOT less.

Blah. I think with the WRX is that you get a very, very solid car, but does not as easily go into the realm of heavy power mods.
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Old 03-26-2004, 05:40 AM   #9
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I agree with Roy Lin.
Super expensive parts, atleast when i compare it to domestic performance parts.
If you are looking for something uber fast, dont buy a WRX. Once you bring it up in to the stage 4 range, you start to walk on shaky ground.
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Old 03-26-2004, 06:10 AM   #10
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Ya I agree. If you want a drag car I'd get something else, but even a stock WRX is amazing in the twisties once you get used to it.
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Old 03-26-2004, 06:56 AM   #11
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If from what i have read is correct, the 4EAT is much stronger than the 5 speed. i never wanted to own a auto, but with this car maybe it is the better option for long life? Especially in the higher horse power range.
Just about everyone who bumps their car up to higher levels (250whp+) end up sooner than later with tranny problems.

I love driving my 5 speed, but i am very conscious that i need a upgraded transmission, and even went so far as buying a used spare to keep in my garage if something should happen before i pile up 4 grand.
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Old 03-26-2004, 09:51 AM   #12
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LOL, that's a good idea!
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Old 03-26-2004, 11:15 AM   #13
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SRT-4 looks like it's ready to go off roading w/ that ride height.
plus I see a lot of MOPAR kooks drving them.

and the rsx, well, its a honda.

I love my rex wagon. I think the sedan or wag are both interesting and different project cars than say honda, nissan, etc. plus you don't have to mod the crap out of it to have a lot of fun and it's realtively easy to drive toward the limit

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Old 03-26-2004, 11:53 AM   #14
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very well ballanced car. but i love my new 22mm rear sway bar, love that oversteer. *sp*
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Old 03-26-2004, 05:29 PM   #15
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Simple; location. If i still lived in dallas i would pick the rsx or maybe the dodge.
But, since i live in montan where it snows and rains then i need something to handle that with. Yes, you could get the other cars to do alright in these conditions, but it's a gamble.
Plus that i already have a dodge that everytime i have to change the oil on i swear i will sell the thing.
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Old 03-26-2004, 08:07 PM   #16
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The RSX is a Honda, so it'll last forever, plus it doesn't look bad.
The SRT-4, lots of Mopar stuff already (Warrantied).
But both are FWD.
The WRX, well, you can't seing a dead cat in PNW without hitting one, but I really enjoy mine, even more now with the mods going in/on. I have always been a RWD (RX-7) disciple, and the more I do to the WRX the more fun I have in it. The factory clutch can take some abuse, and isn't a leg killer.
I'd say the main thing is what YOU feel better driving.

Good luck & enjoy,
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Old 03-26-2004, 11:39 PM   #17
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I am driving one of the 2 FWD vehicles which went on the Olympic Loop Drive. Following all the Subarus (~34 of them) was very tough. Many did not have many modifications.

I got into a few situations due to the nature of FWD. Abaxter34 hit many on the nose. I don't hate it but, it makes me a better driver to try and control the vehicle. It definitely is not for everyone.

My list of vehicles when I was buying a car in 2000 included the 2.5RS, my GTI (Golf 4) and a GTI VR6 (Golf 3). I didn't want the weight of the VR6 and the 1.8T was the engine I wanted. The WRX was not available then.

Find what you want in a car and listen to what these guys have to say about issues. Every make has issues. In the end get what you want and have some fun test driving cars!
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Old 03-27-2004, 03:26 AM   #18
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RSX Type S: Better finish quality. You can get leather. Car is solid and will run forever. You can also rev the motor to 7900RPM. Sad part is, to get power you have to do that. You have to be in vtec to have power, no exceptions. Handles great but still plenty of understeer. 6sp tranny. Watch out for transmission grinds. You gun it on a bank and hope that the front does not break loose. No armrest.

WRX: Can't get leather from the factory, handles incredible. Power starting at 2500RPM. Can always get a good launch, rain or shine. You feel a lot more confidence when you are on a bank to just gun it and be in control. Not as well finished as the Honda but still good quality.

SRT-4 No experience but personally would not consider it. Nothing against Domestics, but this car is not that well put together. Just look at the interior pieces.

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Old 03-27-2004, 12:47 PM   #19
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I dunno.... I wasn't very impressed with the interior of the RSX, everything looked so plasticy.
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Old 05-11-2004, 10:55 PM   #20
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wraith
I like the subaru's clutch, it has a very short distance to engage so its easy to drive, and isn't stiff or anything like that. As far as handling/cornering goes, The other two do not compare.... all wheel drive is a blast to drive. I never have to worry about spinning tires in the rain like a front drive car. And when it snowed, I had to purposely try to break it loose to lose traction. I have 17k miles and only problem was loose cable on the trunk release in the cabin.
are u kidding me? the subaru's clutch has a very LONG distance to engage!
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Old 05-12-2004, 02:07 AM   #21
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WRX was really the only option for me...the wagon at least. I need room enough to go camping and haul some stuff, but sporty enough to have fun with every day, with all wheel drive -- only others that meet that criteria are Audi's, BMW's, etc. Nice, but too snooty and expensive...(I would sort of love a BMW 5 series wagon actually) Plus, AWD is SWEET - this is my first car with AWD, and it's fun to try and break it loose in conditions that you would think should be a breeze - standing water, dirt road - it's traction is crazy. This is the only car that I've actually wanted to take to an empty parking lot and zip around during last year's snowstorm.

My only gripe, and hopefully I'll be alleviating that a little bit shortly, is the lack of any low end torque. A bit more on the low end is needed so that you don't have to get so high into the revs for everyday driving.
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Old 05-12-2004, 01:25 PM   #22
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Quote:
Originally posted by asbWRX04
are u kidding me? the subaru's clutch has a very LONG distance to engage!
yeah, my legacy goes in about 6in compared to my moms new accord which goes in about 3in, not to mention that you really have to press heard to fully disengage the clutch while in the accord its all power assited and easy as butter.
This goes to show that subaru clutches aren;t easy on the knee.
But test drive each of your possible choices and see for yourself.
Also if i were you i'd get a new legacy 2.5T
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Old 05-12-2004, 01:51 PM   #23
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Even if the other two didn't have the fatal flaw of wrong wheel drive, the STi is better setup for track days with the Brembos & all. Got tired of modifying cars (waste of time & money) just so they can do a competant job on the track.
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Old 05-12-2004, 02:02 PM   #24
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If pushing in a Suby clutch will hurt your knee then you have bigger problems than deciding which car to get. The clutch is not very stiff.
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