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Old 05-06-2004, 01:41 PM   #1
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Default No Spanish GP thread yet?

What is going on? Nobody cares anymore?
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Old 05-06-2004, 02:13 PM   #2
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Default There is now...

1. MS (the cloudy and cool forecast looks like Bridgestone weather)
2. JB (he's due, and BAR are fast at Barcelona)
3. RB (he still won't be fast enough, but will podium)
4. TS (yep, Sato will just miss out)
5. FA (always fast at home)
6. JPM (he'll either crash M. Schumacher, or wallow around in the top ten)
7. RS (another hoseoff will cost him places)
8. KR (Raikkonen should snag another point)

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Old 05-06-2004, 02:57 PM   #3
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1. MS - Its very difficult not to pick him until someone shows that they are capable of at least making in close, the cool weather will also help
2. FA - He'll finally do well in qualifying and put on a good race for the home crowd
3. RB - he's in a red car
4. JB - the podium streak ends, but he still puts in a great drive
5. Whine Pablo Moan-toya - will blame everyone and everything but hims own driving skill for his subpar outing
6. JT - Another solid outing for Jarno
7. RS - Will continue to devalue himself for next year with a poor showing in Spain
8. MW - his engine gremlins will be gone for this race and he'll put in a good race
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Old 05-06-2004, 07:11 PM   #4
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sorry, lame post but...

BANZAI HONDA!!!!

I work for Honda R&D so I had to
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Old 05-06-2004, 08:53 PM   #5
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Gooooo Button!!!

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Old 05-06-2004, 11:32 PM   #6
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M.Schumacher
R.Barrichello
F.Alonso
J.Button
J.Montoya
T.Sato
R.Schumacher
K.Raikkonen


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Old 05-06-2004, 11:58 PM   #7
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[list=1][*]Michael - Nobody can touch his race pace[*]Rubinho - Ferrari will carry the day[*]Jenson - Another podium[*]Juan Pablo - Might see a good "Michelin class" dogfight here![*]Fernando - Consistantly in the points... Home track, too![*]Jarno - Consistantly in the points near his team-mate[*]Ralf - He's got bad karma, or something...[*]Takuma - Another team-mate suffering from bad karma[/list=1]
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Old 05-07-2004, 12:29 AM   #8
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No clue. I would like a change though but if I had to put money on it it would be on the german of course.
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Old 05-07-2004, 06:45 AM   #9
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1. MS
2. Button
3. Barichello
4. Alonso
5. Montoya
6. Sato
7. Ralfie
8. Trulli
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Old 05-07-2004, 10:54 AM   #10
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Default Looks like last week...

Ferrari had the best times for the first practice session with a 1:15.6 for MS and a 1:16.0 for RB. Like last week, BAR came back in the second practice session to take the top times with a 1:15.9 for JB and a 1:16.1 for Davidson. Also like last week, the JB's fastest lap wasn't quicker than MS's fastest lap.

To put this in a bit of perspective, pole for last years Spanish Grand Prix was a 1:17.7 by MS and fastest lap during the race was a 1:20.1 by RB. If the practice session is indicative of times set during qualifying, the 2004 cars are about 2 seconds faster than the 2003 cars...pretty amazing!
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Old 05-07-2004, 07:49 PM   #11
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I don't know, but the first two sessions leave an interesting top three

P. No Driver Team - Engine Tyres Times Ave/Gaps Laps
1. 9 BUTTON BAR Honda M 1'15"935 219.361 Km/h 19
2. 35 DAVIDSON BAR Honda M 1'16"188 + 0'00"253 34
3. 38 ZONTA Toyota M 1'16"360 + 0'00"425 37
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Old 05-07-2004, 08:20 PM   #12
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I forget who i submitted for the pick 8...but it was something like this:

1. MS
2. Alonso
3. Button
4. Rubins
5. Trulli

then i forget.

i put Alonso over Button for some reason
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Old 05-07-2004, 09:44 PM   #13
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1. Button
2. Alonso
3. Barichello
4. R.Schumacher
5. Sato
6. Trulli
7. Raikkonen
8. Webber

Shuey and Montoya to crash on the first lap.
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Old 05-08-2004, 11:15 AM   #14
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1. Button
2. Alonso
3. Barichello
4. R.Schumacher
5. Sato
6. Trulli
7. Raikkonen
8. Webber

Shuey and Montoya to crash on the first lap.
Yep! Sounds good to me.
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Old 05-08-2004, 12:22 PM   #15
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John might get his wish. Schumacher is P1, Montoya P2 for qualifying. Both were playing it pretty close to the vest in the press conference, but I think that Montoya is figuring that Schumacher has a lot more to lose than he does, in the result of a first-corner shlemozzle. Given Montoya's pace on cold tires, I would expect him to pass Schumacher, which will make the race very interesting, as Montoya will then make his car VERY wide.

Sato was fast, and so was Button, who was undone by a deflating left rear tire, to his chagrin. I think that Barrichello is on harder tires, and more fuel than Schumacher, whose lap was pretty astonishing, particularly when he said that he just cruised the final sector.

Should be an interesting race tomorrow.

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Old 05-08-2004, 02:47 PM   #16
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Post 1st Lap... Does it really matter?

The Ferrari race pace should be faster again than the Michelin runners. But the difference is that Ferrari's Bridgestones maintain a faster pace over the length of the run, while the Michelin runners are quicker on their 1st / 2nd lap, and then their performance degrades quickly to a slower pace than the Bridgestones.

That is how Juan was able to challenge Michael at Imola, and that is how he will challenge Michael during the 1st lap at Barcelona. But it wouldn't really matter if Juan or another Michelin is able to get by Michael, as after 2 stops, he (with the help of Ross Brawn on the pit wall), will be past all Michelin runners in Michael's worst case 1st lap scenario (barring crashing out, of course)...

So if a Michelin runner leads the 1st lap, it doesn't really matter!

What will be more interesting is to see if Rubens, starting down on the 3rd row, will pass all the Michelin runners for a Ferrari 1, 2! If I had money to bet... I'd bet yes.

The Michelin class is perhaps the most interesting, with Renault and Williams vs. BAR... I'm most interested in that...

I believe I understand why BAR is the upstart team this year, able to mix it up with the Williams and Renault chassis, and why McLaren is so disappointing. An interesting article on AtlasF1 explained that the McLaren, Renault, and Williams chassis were designed to Michelin front tires prior to the "tire-gate" controversy of the Hungarian GP last season. If you recall, Michael's Ferrari was lapped at that race, Ferrari looked hopeless for winning another drivers or constructors championship. Then it was announced that the Michelin front tires were not following the letter of the regulations, by being designed to wear in such as way as to become effectively wider. Michelin quickly changed the design of the front tires for the following race. Meanwhile, Williams, McLaren, and Renault had their 2004 seasons designed to the wider Michelin front tire. BAR began their design of this 2004 car later, and were able to design it to new, different front tire that Michelin rolled out to for the Italian GP at Monza (following Hungary).

Kevin - What was your source that Jenson had a deflated tire?

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Old 05-08-2004, 02:52 PM   #17
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Are you sure that BAR designed their car later? Or did they possibly just design it for bridgestone tires?

And on Speed channel they went over the entire coverage of his car deflating through that turn, didn't have enough airpressure built up.
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They mentioned it on the Speed coverage and replays seemed to show the tire almost coming of it's bead. Jensen also mentioned a sudden gust of wind at the point where he went off.
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Old 05-08-2004, 03:44 PM   #19
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It looks like we should have a pretty exiciting race. The start and first several corners should be interesting with MS and JPM battling it out for early supremecy - if JPM can pass MS early on, I only expect that lead to last until the first pit stop or maybe the second (similar to JB and MS at Imola). We also have some very fast runners that qualified back in the pack - FA in 8th, MW in 9th, KR in 13th, and JB in 14th - which should make for some exciting passing back in the field.

To me, it looks pretty good for MS. While I think JPM can keep up or surpass MS for a couple of laps, I doubt his ability to keep it up for an entire race.
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And on Speed channel they went over the entire coverage of his car deflating through that turn, didn't have enough airpressure built up.
Stu - Thanks for replying!

Looks like SpeedTV has the exclusive scoop on this story, since neither BAR, nor Michelin, nor anyone in the paddocks has said or reported anything about the tire pressures being too low.

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Are you sure that BAR designed their car later? Or did they possibly just design it for bridgestone tires?
Good questions... and you're right! BAR did not design the 006 chassis later. It was designed for the narrower, non-tapering B'stone front tires. Whereas the other Michelin teams designed to the tapering, wider front tire.

Let me paraphrase the article, written by Deiter Rencken

Here is his time-line:
  • Aug 24th - Hungarian GP
  • Featured the 1st win for young Fernando
  • This race was also the 7th victory in a row for Michelin runners!
  • Last week of August, first weeks of Sept.
  • Michelin told by FIA that their prior victories stand, but the front tires will be subject to inspection after the race to see if they are still compliant.
  • Michelin scrambles and quickly puts together new front tires for the Italian GP on Sept 14th.
  • A week prior to Italian GP, the Michelin teams test the new tires. The teams learn that the new narrow, non-tapering tires require significant changes to the front suspension settings.
  • Meanwhile, McLaren had already begun building the MP4-19. The design had been frozen earlier, as a straightforward evolution of the MP4-18.
  • Williams was the 1st team to launch their 2004 car (Jan 5th), so they must have already started the manufacturing process in September, which means the design was frozen before September as well.
  • Renault has dual design team philosophy (which originated from Mike Gascoyne), to design a car in alternate seasons. Which means the design foundations of the R24 were laid in 2002 immediately after Michelin introduced the tapered front tire.
  • BAR only received clearance to run Michelins in November, so the 006 was designed to run on the narrower (non-tapering) front tires of Bridgestones, which apparently are more compatible to the present non-tapering Michelins.
  • Sept 14th - Italian GP @ Monza
  • Michael wins!
  • This is the first of 7 straight victories for Bridgestone runners!

Thanks again, Stu!

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Old 05-08-2004, 09:27 PM   #21
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interesting stuff OTG...thanks

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Old 05-08-2004, 09:59 PM   #22
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Yep, the Speed Channel broadcast was interesting. The tire actually moved on the wheel! Pretty freaky, and certainly upsetting to young Mr. Button's pace. If that tire wasn't deflating, they are running scary low amounts of air pressure in the Michelin rubber.

How about Eddie Irvine telling Montoya to just ram Schumacher off the track? What an ass. He didn't have the stuff to close the deal when he had an opportunity to win the world championship, and now he, like so many other ex-drivers, is full of sour grapes. If Irvine had the talent of Schumacher, he'd be more than a never-was.

Montoya might well run Schumacher off the track, which will be about the only way he'll be able to keep up.

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Old 05-09-2004, 11:51 AM   #23
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YAWN. Season's over.







Will Schumacher set the record of 10 or more wins in a single season?
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Old 05-09-2004, 12:24 PM   #24
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Will Schumacher set the record of 10 or more wins in a single season?
I dont know about 10, but I think he will definitely win in Monaco to set the new record; he is fast there.
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Old 05-09-2004, 01:36 PM   #25
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YAWN. Season's over.
Turning into a bit of a boring season...
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