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Old 05-06-2004, 11:06 PM   #1
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Default I need help to start set up new audio system

I am picking up a new 2004 STI this Saturday... Since, it has no radio/speakers and is prewired. I went today to a professional audio shop, which is the only one in my town beside best buy and circuit city, for some advice and price quote.

The recommended me the following:
Alpine CDA 9827 $280
MB Quart RSE 216 6.5" front $300
MB Quart DKE 113 5.25" rear $130

and a FUTURE Alpine Amp... $500+

I came back home and did some research on those. Quality-wise, I think they are nice; however, price-wise I found them at much lower price.. about $210 less at www.onlinestereo.com. This also encouraged me to set up the system by myself. The only experience I had installing any audio system was to replace a pair of cheapo speakers in my old car. If I succeed I will be a super lucky noob with a new experience and skill, but if I fail, I will be sending the car to a hospital.

So before I attempt to think to setting them by myself, I wanted to ask a few questions...
1) How hard is to install the mentioned component speakers (with crossovers)?
2) Is there a good website where I can obtain some instruction how to install those products?
3) Is there a good online car audio shipping site beside that mentioned one?
4) Should I go with that configuration? or should I invest a little bit more (about $100 to 200 more) for better product for no future regrets?

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Old 05-07-2004, 12:59 AM   #2
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The system suggested to you isn't bad at all, and there are benefits to having a pro install which shouldn't be overlooked.

If you choose to go DIY, do so because you're that kind of guy, not to save a few bucks.

DIY route:
Check out this site for practical knowledge about equipment and the electrical side of the install. Crucial to a good system is current. Correct wire gauges, proper fusing, solid grounds.
Then look at this one to decide if you really need rear fill or not. If you care at all about the bottom octave you need to add a subwoofer to your plans. Just about any musical genre will benefit from some fill down low.

Then start thinking about equipment. Alpine are on top of their game right now, hard to beat them on head units. Go up to the 9835 if you can. They also have a terrific (Danish-built) component set in the SPX line which has a lot of audiophiles and DIY buffs drooling (for the price). Components are the one part of the system which is completely subjective, and the 'best' set for you is based entirely on your musical preferences. Comps range from 'warm' sounding, through 'transparent' and into 'bright' in personality. What do you want to listen to in the car?

Be ready to do a bit more work than just screw the comps into the doors if you want the best out of them. You need to mat the doors and mount the tweeters better if you want their potential realized. I know you paid a lot for the weight savings in the car, but the comps will never sound right without damping and sealing the doors.

Anything worth installing will be deep enough to need spacers.

Soundproofing the floor is worth about 100W of amplifier power too

As far as amps go, I think the Alpine stuff is ok, but there's better value for money out there. At the moment the Avionixx and Phoenix Gold amps are good for the money. Stretch to a USAmps or Zapco if possible.

How many amps, channels? How much power?
Depends on whether you care about a stereo image, or if you just want a car full of music. Subwoofer or no?

Online shopping that I've dealt with and would again:
http://sounddomain.com
http://etronics.com
http://hookedontronics.com
http://thezeb.com
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Old 05-07-2004, 11:15 AM   #3
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Wow. Very nice.. Thank you very much.
That's very nice information. I will take your advice. I am going to STUDY.. yup!! STUDY. this weekend!!!!!

I am not fan of installing huge subwoofers taking over the majority of the trunk space and shattering glasses at the traffic light stop. That being said, 4 speakers + tweeters should be enough to me. And.. Dampening and sealing the surfaces of the car floor and doors would be a "later-project" when the manufacture warranty expires... hehe. Also the addition of an amplifier will be another "later-project" whenever I have a thick wallet.

I wanted a good-one-time investment on the speakers and the headunit. I guess I should go for the Alpine head unit that you've mentioned and do more research on the speakers. So.. what are the good speakers that have good reputation and performance beside MB quart?

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Old 05-07-2004, 12:09 PM   #4
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I wasn't suggesting you go for mulitple subwoofers or a kilowatt of power on them, you don't come off like that. A single 10" or 12" sub is enough for most and is imo essential to fill out most music. Depends on your tastes, as does choice in component sets. I'm sure if you mention what sort of music you listen to, there will be lots of suggestions. More important is how you install them. The stock tweeter locations are really, really awful. It doesn't matter what you spend on a comp set, you will never get it to sound right with the tweets in the door handles. Next up is midbass response. Without matting and sealing the door, you will never get what you paid for from your system. Matting the doors is a pita, but no worries about your warranty. Do a search here on raamat or dynamat and see for yourself.
A 4ch amp might be the way to go for you. You could put a nice comp set in front, some cheap drivers for rear fill, and have some power all around. If you feel the need you can add a sub later, bridging the amp's rear channels to the sub. The rear fill you can either dispense with or leave on headunit power. This is a really common upgrade path as almost nothing goes to waste. Just don't spend too much money on rear speakers, and get woofers rather than components or coaxes.
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Old 05-07-2004, 11:00 PM   #5
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FINE!! you've convinced me. I am going to put the insulation mats on the doors... I hope it won't be as hard as opening someone's chest and look at the pumping heart and close it back.

I have also decided to take your advice of getting an Alpine 9833 or 9835 (arent they the same? except the display?) and GOOD quality front speakers. I will get a cheapo set for the rear ones like 60bucks per pair speakers @ circuit city

Then in the future, whenever my wallet becomes thicker, I will put the insulation on the floor and the 4way amp and possible better rear speakers or woofers... hehe..

Since you've been very helpful, I thank you very much. If I fail to install everything, I can refer to the professionals to fix the mess...

my last but not least question is.. could you help me to choose one of the following speakers for the front set?

JL Audio XR650-CSi
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=11421
MB Quart PCE-216 http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=13544
Alpine SPX-177A http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=11747

All the speakers are between 250 to 300 range. I like the MB quart one, though... at least I am going to have some German engineering in the Japanese technology based car... It's Globalization Era!!

If you have better recommendation for the front speakers less than $300, please, do so.

Thanks again
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Old 05-07-2004, 11:35 PM   #6
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Sounds like a plan. One exception:
I wouldn't spend 60 bucks on rear fill, especially if it's going to live off deck power. Some simple woofers are plenty, you don't need or want tweeters back there. Somthing like this, or this is fine for rear fill. If your deck allows you to, you could also bandpass the rears to a narrow band of 100~200hz where they do less harm.

As to the front components, I find the MBQuart tweeters a bit harsh, especially when they are anywhere near your head. I think someone here was blaming them for partial deafness. The JL set is a bit bright as well, without even being as clear as the MBQuart set. I would take the SPX set in a heartbeat, but then most of my favorite drivers are Danish... Like I said, it really depends on your listening preferences. If you're one of those people who always has the treble cranked way up on the radio, then get the MB's. If you like a warmer or more natural sound you'd prefer the SPX, or take a look at the CDT sets at thezeb.com

Have fun!

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Old 05-08-2004, 01:52 PM   #7
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why do you want the rear speakers? I have rear speakers in my install, but it's important to know why you want them. If you're just looking for more midbass, this is not a good way to do that. there are better ways to spend that money, including towards your sub, sound deadening, etc.

If you're looking to give rear passengers some "highs" occasionally, then running them in the rear and letting them live on deck power is fine. staying cheap is ok here too.

If you prefer the "live" soundstage over the "studio" soundstage, the alpine decks you selected have built in delays that allow you to fine tune the reflections from the rear to get the sound you're looking for. If this is the case, get something decent. Deck power is probably ok if your alpine headunits are v-drive, if not, you may be introducing distortion into your system at higher volumes.
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Old 05-09-2004, 12:02 AM   #8
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I suggested he use some rear fill for volume until he installs a sub
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Old 05-09-2004, 01:19 AM   #9
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Thanks all again..

I flew to New Hamshire this morning (from North Carolina), and drove back for about 12hrs for my NEW 2004 STI!!! YES!! it's N.E.W.!! not OLD!! Testdriving for 12hrs with my new car was a good experience. I still need to learn to shift gears.. This car is very different to the prelude which I used to drive.

Anyways, I loved the power and handling it delivered, but was very disppointed with the vibration/noise especially on the rough roads. On the way, I was thinking of pasting the entire car with the sound insulating mats... even the windowshield. Maybe I will install better tires and shocks/springs whenever I hit the Lotto Jackpot.

I guess I will go with the alpine one then. with 9833 head unit, which provides the v-drive thinggy, according to the website. And paste the doors and floor with the insulating mat... It's going to be a helluva work for a noob like me. hehe...

Also a woofer... Are there any woofers that can be placed on the rear doors? Only subwoofers I've seen are either tooo big or not install-able on the doors but in the trunk.. If I go with the woofers would I need an additional Amplifier or will the 9833 Head Unit cover enough power? and also.. what woofers are considered as good ones?? brand?? performance?? no more than $200 with the boxing, only if it's required.

I will be ordering them soon hehe...

Thank you very much.

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Old 05-09-2004, 07:48 PM   #10
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I suggested he use some rear fill for volume until he installs a sub
I couldn't believe it

I have rear speakers, as you know, but just want people to understand the pros and cons as much as possible when making their choice.
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Old 05-09-2004, 08:11 PM   #11
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Thanks all again..

Also a woofer... Are there any woofers that can be placed on the rear doors? Only subwoofers I've seen are either tooo big or not install-able on the doors but in the trunk.. If I go with the woofers would I need an additional Amplifier or will the 9833 Head Unit cover enough power? and also.. what woofers are considered as good ones?? brand?? performance?? no more than $200 with the boxing, only if it's required.

I will be ordering them soon hehe...

Thank you very much.
The HU will not be enough to power the subwoofer. They really aren't required but it will sound much better with one for $200 out the door you may want to check out something that is powered such as a basslink but a 10 or 12 with another amp would be ideal.
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Old 05-10-2004, 11:28 AM   #12
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Thanks for all the inputs

These are the what I am going to order

Dynomat on all four doors

Head Unit
Alpine 9833

Front
Alpine SPX-177A

and for Rear
Pyramid PW577X 5" Power Woofer
http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?...ore=&catid=372
or
Pyramid W54 5 1/4" Pro Plus Mid Bass Woofer
http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?...ore=&catid=372
If they fit in both rear doors.

or if those woofers are not adequate for the rear doors then
Alpine SPS-130A 5 1/4" 2-Way Speakers
http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?...ore=&catid=355

Later, once again, when my wallet becomes thicker, I will install the Amp and dynamat everywhere..

Thanks all again
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Sounds like a plan. You could save some time and effort and use all the mat where it counts, on the front doors
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have FUNN with those quart twwwweeeeeettttttssssssss.
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Old 05-10-2004, 09:33 PM   #15
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I've ordered the Head unit (ended up purchasing 9835) and the front speaker set...

I am not sure about the rear ones...both of those pyramides have pretty big magnets. I am waiting for the reply from the innovative automotives for spacers... If either of them fit.. then I will have busy weekends.

I tried to open the door pannel... and I DID it. hehe.. First I thought I was going to break it.. It was cold sweaty but fun experience.

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