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Old 05-07-2004, 04:05 AM   #1
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Default APC seats worth tha measly $250?

Check em out here:http://search.ebay.com/apc-seats_W0Q...sortpropertyZ1

Everyone and their brother is selling them for ~$250 for a PAIR! Of course, they say they retail for $650.

So what's the scoop on these? Did APC realized they're crap, and unload them to a bunch of distributors? Are they crap? I figure for that price, they'd have to be.

I'm just looking for something sporty looking, and matches the car. It's red, so black and red looks decent. I've got the 2002 WRX seats now which are OK. A little bland though. I figure I could sell those, and get these for $0 out of pocket almost. Should I?

I'm not looking to do any serious Rally in these, just Rally Cross, maybe an Autocross. In the future, a track day might come along, but that's not a reson to buy $900 Recaros.

Whatcha think, good and bad? Here, I think I can attach a pic:
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Old 05-07-2004, 04:53 AM   #2
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OK, I found the other thread asking about these a few months ago. PLEASE, for the love of God, don't fill this thread up with "APC Sucks." And before you even think of it, don't think you're original when you type "APC Sucks " You're still a jackass.

I'm just thinking that stock vs APC, how bad can they be? Yes, I know APC is being sued for something with safety issues. Find me a company with more than $1M in yearly revenue that isn't being sued. Hell, find me a person with that income, and they're being sued for something too.

Yes, I know APC isn't Recaro, Sparco, etc. Yes, I know the name conjurs up neons, etc. I don't give a rat's ass about branding my car with "I SPENT MONEY" logos. Hell, I own a Brighton (debadged for weight loss). Besides, these are coming SANS LOGO. Now, I can really laugh when I incesively repeat "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges."

OK, so now that I've told everyone what to say, can someone say it?
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Old 05-07-2004, 05:04 AM   #3
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sorry had to say it. i would think even they are uncomfortable that you could throw some memeory foam in yourself and even get them reuphlstered for half the cost of a new recaro. screw go for it. as long as the brackets are on good, can't see a safety issue
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Old 05-07-2004, 06:20 AM   #4
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Sounds like you've already decided. :shrug;
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Old 05-07-2004, 12:51 PM   #5
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Sounds like you've already decided. :shrug;
No, I just wanted a real opinion. I think in the 100+ post I read last night, ONE person had them, and said they weren't all that bad. Everyone else just whipped out an opinion of APC, which was 100% negative. That does nothing. That's why I posted in motorsports. I thought there might be a more educated crowd around here, without such the kneejerk reaction.

No one has tried these?

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Old 05-07-2004, 01:44 PM   #6
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Where are you going to buy a mounting bracket for apc seat?
Custom fab will cost a bit more money than a regular wedge engineering one or whatever So what I think is, what you save in the seats, you spend on mounting it.

For $200, I would replace the seats in my beater if not for that
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:33 PM   #7
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i rode around in some R1 seats this weekend, and i really didn't like them. i myself have a (old school) bride seat in my 240, and am putting a 5zigen seat (made by bride) in my RS. if you keep your eyes open, old cobra and recaro reclinable seats can be had w/o molesting your wallet, and those that i have sat in felt way better than those r1 seats (i'm assuming they are the exact same thing as the apc ones). the padding was really funky in them, not dence at all.
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:38 PM   #8
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In my honest opinion seats are not something to mess around with, especially a seat that probably has little or no safety engineering behind it. Who knows where that seat is going to break if you are hit from behind by someone?

If there is any kind of safety/crash impact testing verfication available for these seats then I apologize in advance to APC, but I highly doubt it.
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:53 PM   #9
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In my honest opinion seats are not something to mess around with, especially a seat that probably has little or no safety engineering behind it. Who knows where that seat is going to break if you are hit from behind by someone?

If there is any kind of safety/crash impact testing verfication available for these seats then I apologize in advance to APC, but I highly doubt it.
100% opinion; not a fact in there. You somehow know APC has no safetly engineering behind these? They just threw it together, and hoped that there wouldn't be a few million dollar lawsuits from injuries? They just said, "F safety, we'll wing it, and hope we don't get a class action suit costing us 10X what we make." ???? That's what happened in your mind? Yeah, sure.

Who knows where the seat is going to break? Who's to say it will? I don't know. I have no reason to believe that this seat will be any weaker, or stronger than my stock seats are now. Well, aside from the enlightening information in your opinion.
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:54 PM   #10
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i rode around in some R1 seats this weekend, and i really didn't like them. i myself have a (old school) bride seat in my 240, and am putting a 5zigen seat (made by bride) in my RS. if you keep your eyes open, old cobra and recaro reclinable seats can be had w/o molesting your wallet, and those that i have sat in felt way better than those r1 seats (i'm assuming they are the exact same thing as the apc ones). the padding was really funky in them, not dence at all.
R1 seats? No idea what those are. Can anyone confirm that these are the same as the APC's?
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:55 PM   #11
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Where are you going to buy a mounting bracket for apc seat?
Custom fab will cost a bit more money than a regular wedge engineering one or whatever So what I think is, what you save in the seats, you spend on mounting it.

For $200, I would replace the seats in my beater if not for that
They come with standard rails, which may or may not work. Plus, I have my old "L" seats with rails. I figure between the two, one will work.
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:59 PM   #12
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No, I just wanted a real opinion.
And that is what you got, from someone who has personally used just about every aftermarket seat currently available, and has seen the extensive engineering that goes into this crucial safety item.

As I said in my first post: show me some testing background on them, and I'll eat my words and offer a full apology.
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Old 05-07-2004, 03:07 PM   #13
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I suppose I should have said "educated opinion". My bad. You said you've used just about every aftermarket seat, but that is not to say you know anything about the APC seat. My big long disclaimer was to avoid a pissing match of opinions, as that's useless.

"I bet they suck"

"na uh!"

"uh hu!"

That does no good.

And keep in mind, I'M NOT COMPARING THESE TO A RECARO, etc! I know for 4 times the price, I'll get ten times the seat. Do I need that? Compare these to stock, which is what I'm upgrading from. Worse than stock?

So far, all I have is from CarDomain.com. "it also passes all required safety tests" That is probably true. Meaning, it passes DOT minimum standards. If not, these would have to be labeled "for off road use only" and come with disclaimers galore.

Anyone have APC's site, to see if we can figure this out?
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CPAs suck

i dunno, i wouldn't expect miracles but for the money might as well give 'em the ole college try.
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Old 05-07-2004, 03:34 PM   #15
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CPAs suck

i dunno, i wouldn't expect miracles but for the money might as well give 'em the ole college try.
You best watch what you say about CPA's! I have an accounting degree you know.

As far as giving them a try, that's kinda where I'm coming from. I'm looking at going with something that looks more custom, for $0 (after I sell my stock WRX seats). Why not? Am I going to sit in them, and explode?

Again, can they be worse (safety) than stock? They MUST pass DOT specs, no?
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1) of course they are not as safe as stock. No side airbags.

2) without matching door cards, they will look out of place.

3) you can get leather seatcovers from leatherseats.com, and they will look good and retain the airbags. Plus you will not need to worry about fitment.

4) the stock seats are pretty nice. These will not be a significant upgrade.

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Old 05-07-2004, 03:58 PM   #17
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1)The side airbags don't work when you have them in a Brighton. As well, you could make this argument that every racing seat, regarless of price, would therefore be less safe than stock, as none have side impact bags.

2)OK, and? Not a huge consideration for this discussion. I'm looking at safety, durability, etc. My car is for driving. Looks are only minimally important to me.

3) who said anything about leather? I'm not looking to slide around in the seat, burn my ass in the summer, and freeze my ass in the winter.

4) I like the looks of the APC better. Just look at the ad. It says it's going to give my car the F1 look. TOTALLY, DOOOD! I think it may ad that missing 900 HP too.
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New Streetman vs. Old Streetman.

ROUND ONE!

a.
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2) without matching door cards, they will look out of place.
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2)OK, and? Not a huge consideration for this discussion. I'm looking at safety, durability, etc. My car is for driving. Looks are only minimally important to me.
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I'm just looking for something sporty looking, and matches the car.
DING DING! Neutral corners.

ROUND TWO!

a.
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Originally posted by Streetman
4) I like the looks of the APC better. Just look at the ad. It says it's going to give my car the F1 look. TOTALLY, DOOOD! I think it may ad that missing 900 HP too.
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DING DING!

And the winnAr is..

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Sounds like you've already decided.
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Old 05-07-2004, 04:34 PM   #19
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They come with standard rails, which may or may not work. Plus, I have my old "L" seats with rails. I figure between the two, one will work.
I don't know if you installed an aftermarket seat before, but usually it is car mounted to bracket, bracket mounted to rail, and rail mounted to seat.

It comes with seat and rail, but you still need a bracket that can mount correctly to both your car and the apc rails. And I have never seen any place that sell apc specific brackets ...
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ButtDyno-

Minimally important. Therefore, important, but not top factor. Your post is worthless.
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Old 05-07-2004, 05:27 PM   #21
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Coorespondance between myself, and a bendor of these seats on Ebay:

Streetman wrote:
I'm wondering what the real story is on these. It's known that everyone and their brother is selling these way cheap on Ebay. I'm just wondering why APC had to unload them so cheap. I'm not looking for a Recaro quality set of racing seats for $220. I just want to know what the real story is before sending $300 for something I can't see in person. Fill me in, and you'll probably get a sale out of it. They look sweet. And yeah, I'm not down with a big APC logo. Hey, with that said, how can I know they're APC's, and not some really cheap brand? Thanks in advance for your response.

Their Response:
Hi, apc is now only selling their seats without the logos. At first they did not understand why we wanted seats without logos. We were always hearing from customers saying i would buy them if they did not have the logos. So when they did them without the logos they really started selling well.

The seats are good quality, they are not recarro, sparcoo, etc. But they are still a great deal for the price. The reason they can sell so cheap is volume & competition. This is a new standard in reasonable seats. As long as the cost to make & import these seats do not go up, the seats will be available at this price. Our key to selling so cheap is to buy by the truck load, this gives us pre-paid shipping to our warehouse. We also ship high volume through fedex to get fair shipping charges.

The factories over in china are shipping containers of these every day. These factories are shipping the same seat style to several companies like apc, lightglow etc. So there is a good chance that you are getting the same seats made in the same factory from several vendors.

I was told that the apc slider was of different size of the ones put out by other companies from the same factory, but that was not true. They have all been the same that i have seen. The only thing that will indicate that you are getting apc seats from us is the box. Apc is stamped on the box, we do sometimes repackage in plain boxes if the shipping box is damaged in any way. We do source seats from other companies, if the color requested is not available from apc.

Thanks for your interest in our seats. We ship seats from our warehouse in decatur, ga. You are welcome to come by and compare these seats with the other brands we sell, like momo, sparcoo, ractive, & recarro.


This is the type of thing I'm looking for. Real info. Not, "yeah, these are good."
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If I had already decided, I wouldn't have posted this. I think I probably will get these. So far, I see no reason why not to give them a try out. No one here has stated much beyond opinion. And most opinions are somewhere between the value of tits on a bull, and a warm bucket of hamster vomit.

In fact, has anyone who posted their opinion even touched one of these? The closest is digitalpimp, if the R1's are the same. I thank you for your opinion, sir.

For the rest of you, go back and find where I said "Let's all just speculate on this."
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go to your local Pepboys and check them out. I wouldn't put them in my car though.
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Since I know that you currently have 2003 WRX seats in your Brighton, why do you want these?

Stirring the pot and


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