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Old 05-13-2004, 09:56 PM   #101
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Stephan - my hat is off to you for being quite the gentleman. I only question because your car seems to have phenominal straight-line accelleration when pushed. I'll admit I don't recall which time through that I saw you run though, it's all a blur now. And while I understand it's irritating having people assume that you're cheating, it should also be flattering as John said.
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Old 05-14-2004, 12:41 AM   #102
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Actualy at Oregon I ask Doug to check my restrictor and the size of it at tech. he wasn't plainning of doing it until I ask him. Checking the compression is kind of a pain on the suby. I don't even know how to changed a plug on this car. But anybody who has the right toll can ask me and I let them check the compression.
What is funny, I was faster last year and nobody said anything. If you look at my times from Oregon 2003 from both club day and add it up, it puts me in 5th overall PRO. I didn't have the money to enter Pro, so nobody realized it. Guys my cars is the same as the other PGT, really.
Maybe you are right, and I'm taking it the wrong way. I should be flater instead of pissed off. I will try that phylosophy from now on. I want to apologize for snapping.
You know what, at least people are talking about me. I think it is a good thing.
I really enjoy rallying and hope to do it for many years.

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Old 05-14-2004, 01:00 AM   #103
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Stephan,

I agree with earlier comments from John. To be so fast that everyone assumes you are cheating is complimentary in it's own twisted way. Think about it, for so many competitors and spectators to be consistently suspicious of your ability to compete with and out-rally Open and Group N cars in a PGT spec car is testament to your skill (and in rare cases luck). I've been in the right seat in a PGT car in three events that you've contested (including Rim 04) and I have to concede that you are a terrific driver. Taking into account the amount of post event chatter about your accomplishments, I'm frankly surprised that no one has stepped up to protest your engine. I agree with John Felstead, perhaps you'll have to protest yourself to put it all behind you.

By the way, that was a great speech you gave at the Rim awards breakfast. You are truly a gentleman racer.

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Old 05-14-2004, 01:14 AM   #104
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mmmmmkay yeaah.

Next time I'm going to bust out a stopwatch and clock him because his accelleration down the front stretch seemed to be about as fast as Burke's.

AS FAST AS BURKE????
are you serious! Burkes car makes over 400hp. stpehs car
weighs 3200lb(ask ron wood,doug robinson,
todd moberly or david coleman) they saw it at tech... and
makes about 150hp.
why dont you ask for his keys the next time you see him.
he will let you drive it. actually jeff from chasteauto went to
stephs place and drove his car... you want to know what he
said after he drove it?????

he said "dude your car has atleast 150hp" yes 150hp..not 400
like burke.

Oh and one more thing... after driving his car make sure to
tell all your friends.

Im tired of this ****!!!

You ever heard of the BRIDGESTONE DRIVER SEARCH???
1200 drivers participated in this event. there was only
going to be one winner. the winner got to drive a formula
car for a season(open wheel)
guess who won... STEPHEN.... the guy is no amature.
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Old 05-14-2004, 01:22 AM   #105
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OK!!!
1. steph had a new tranny and clutch at oregon with about
50 miles. the last trans broke when he went testing. he drove
for less than 5 min and the tranny went kerrrrrplunk!
2. the last thing he wanted to do was kill the tranny on fri
night at OTPR in a 1/4 mile event.
3. I could do 13sec quarter miles in my eclipse and guess
what??....no one gives a shiat.

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Old 05-14-2004, 01:25 AM   #106
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Plus everyone knows that the SRT-4 is the fastest car ever and it ran a 16.6. [/b][/quote]

Doug was on the brakes about 100 feet from the end.
the srt-4's have a stage 2 kit with a few more things...
the car probably pushes 300hp at full boost.
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Old 05-14-2004, 01:43 AM   #107
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And for the people who think my car was really fast in the back strech of the super stage. Here is my secret, NITROUS. (oops!! I just realise it's not legal.)

Stephan Verdier [/b][/quote]

OH CRAP!!
I told you not to tell anyone about the NOS....

im sorry for getting all , but it gets old
after awhile.
Horatio! you have to go for a ride with steph to
understand.
Rally on!
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Old 05-14-2004, 02:24 AM   #108
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AS FAST AS BURKE????
are you serious! Burkes car makes over 400hp. stpehs car
weighs 3200lb(ask ron wood,doug robinson,
todd moberly or david coleman) they saw it at tech... and
makes about 150hp.
Yeah, I know. That's why I said it appeared as though...

But I think we've about covered it now. A stock WRX makes 227hp, depending on the dyno about 160hp at the tires. 3200 seems light for that car. That's about what one weighs stock, before the roll cage and heavy rally tires.

My sunny-day driver is a ~350 hp mustang that weighs several hundred pounds less than a prepped WRX, and I still think his car looks fast.

I'd love to go for a ride with Stephan. Hell, I'd buy his entire team the first round of their choice for a ride.
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Old 05-14-2004, 03:04 AM   #109
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Quote:
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I'd love to go for a ride with Stephan. Hell, I'd buy his entire team the first round of their choice for a ride. [/b]
DEAL!!

Steph,
a free first round ... El drunko (crew member) would be really angry if you didnt give horatio a ride...
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Old 05-14-2004, 04:16 AM   #110
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Glad to see you are taking my comment in the way it was intended Stephan. With regards to the diff setup you run, that is a perfect config for a loose surface car, plated front LSD, tight VC centre diff and a quaife gear type rear diff, its the combination we ran in our GroupA cosworth in British National rallies with great success (best we did was 2nd overall, 6 seconds behind the last works Escort WRC built by MSport in our home built car). That diff setup alone is going to find you a few seconds a mile over a PGT car with stock diffs. And yes i am serious, 2-3 seconds a mile all else being equal.

I can change a set of plugs on an impreza in about 10 minutes, not sure if that makes me tellented or sad for having had to do it so many times. Compresion testing is a piece of cake for a scrutineer on an Impreza, or it should be.

Dont know if you guys have seen a TV program from the BBC called the Royale family? but in the words of Jim Royale, 150BHP my arse. No one puts together a package with the right diffs and invests all their spare money into that car then runs 150BHP, thats just a rediculous thing to say, it would have to be running on 2.5 cylinders to be that bad! If you have you need a new engineer on your team!

weight wise, the kerb weight of a US Spec WRX sedan is 3075lb (1395Kg) in stock trim without cage/skids or rally tyres. So to get a fully preped PGT car down to 3200lb (1451Kg) is pretty good going. The US Spec WRX Wagon weighs 3155lb (1431Kg) in stock trim as reference, so i would say thats one hell of a light rollcage you have there.
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weight wise, the kerb weight of a US Spec WRX sedan is 3075lb (1395Kg) in stock trim without cage/skids or rally tyres. So to get a fully preped PGT car down to 3200lb (1451Kg) is pretty good going. The US Spec WRX Wagon weighs 3155lb (1431Kg) in stock trim as reference, so i would say thats one hell of a light rollcage you have there. [/b][/quote]

Stephs cage is made of DOM. The main hoop and a pillars
are .120 wall. The rest are .095.
The cage has lots of bars and gussets.. Not as light as
the safetydevice or customcages.co.uk cages. They use
T45 steel and the wall thickness is between .047 and .064.
Super thin and super light.

stephs cage was built by: http://gtfabrications.com/gtf/custom...es/gallery.htm
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Old 05-14-2004, 11:49 AM   #112
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god, all these spelling errors are making my head hurt.
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Old 05-14-2004, 11:54 AM   #113
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johnfelstead,
Are you in SOCAL? If you are or anybody else who is and want to test drive my car or check my engine is welcome to come by. I'm serious. That car is bone stock. The reason I have this diffs is a got really good deals on it.
About the weight, I was suprise too. The cage is a pretty big one and I still have the sound proofing stuff on the firewall. An other competitor wieght is STI and he had 3187pds. That guys has the same cage as me. I think the scales were right. the funny thing too is, the car was 40 pds heavier on the right side. I don't understand why.
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Okay let me just end all this now, Stephan's car is not fast! Badger him enough he will let anyone drive the thing (yes I gave him a hard time and drove it to check it out) but nowhere near a group n car. People can run around and complain or protest headlights and side skirts but the bottom line is that he is fast and you are not! We are missing some points here people and that is that RIm is not a fast rally, in fact it is one of the slower rallys in SCCA so HP is not as much of an advantage as good road position and a good driver. PErfect example of this would be the fact that we ran so well last year with our 1.0l Starlet and passed as many people as we did. THat car has a short wheelbase so it ran well at rim but at STPR or another rally like that we would be getting killed on the wide open stages. THere are a lot of factors that you have to look at besides one little section of a super special. Look at Julian Masters, his car may look like a POS mirage but that is all EVO 6.5 under there and his car was not flying around either. Good Driver in a mediocre car will always beat a bad driver in a very good car it has happened time and time again.
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Old 05-14-2004, 12:35 PM   #115
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Stephan-

Keep your head up, you have no reason to apologize for answering people who doubt your skill. I run G2 in CENDIV in a very stock GTI with an open diff and stock gearbox & still keep up. People will always doubt the car when you outperform them.

I am starting my 04 WRX PGT car now, and hope to have it by S*D 05. I cant wait to compete against you with closer to the same level equipment. (provided you dont jump to N or open too quick)...

Be flattered that people doubt. It makes you feel that much nicer inside to prove them wrong.



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Old 05-14-2004, 12:48 PM   #116
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Hi Stephan,

unfortunately not in SOCAL, i am across the pond in the not so sunny England. I do get over to the USA every so often though so if at all posible i would pop down and see you, thats a generous offer. I have driven PGT WRX's (well pretty much every Impreza ever made bar the WRC car) so know what to expect.

I'll bring my EcuTek software with me whilst i am at it and see if i can find your missing 100BHP. Still find the comment about you having 150BHP funny.

Diff wise, if you have the funds available they are one of the best changes you can make on a loose surface car, what matters most is traction and suspension, then brakes and engine.

As for your last comment about the weight, tell the codriver to go on a diet. (j/k) Seriously, its quite normal for WRX's to have a L/R offset, when you corner weight a tarmac spec version you usually have to run diferent ride heights to compensate. It's less important on a forest spec car, you tend to use ride height setings as your guide rather than corner weights in that aplication.
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John I am heading back across at the end of June so have your streetfinder ready for me I have to go back to wales hoepfully without as many wrong turns this time.
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Give me a bit of advanced notice once you know what your plans are and i'll try and meet up with you. I am away for a bit in June, but hopefully we get the chance for a natter.
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JF - Why do you doubt the 150 hp figure? It's really common for mostly-stock WRX's over here to have ~150-160 at the tires on different dynos. Of course within the rules of the PGT class the car should be making a fair bit more than stock power levels, but 250 at the ground?
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JOHN,
You are welcome to contact me when you are in SOCAL.
Jeff thanks for the kind words.

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madmaxxx is refering to flywheel BHP, not wheel BHP. Or am i missing something? because he says Burkes car has 400BHP as a reference and that isnt at the wheels surely?
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horatio,
remenber PGT run a 32mm restrictor, so there is no way you'll be making more power than a stock US WRX.
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Dont agree with that at all Stephan. You can make 270BHP with a 32mm restricted Impreza engine and a hell of a lot more torque. You should be able to get well above 220BHP with a 32mm restrictor, even running fully legal and you certainly will make more than stock torque figures.
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Dont agree with that at all Stephan. You can make 270BHP with a 32mm restricted Impreza engine and a hell of a lot more torque. You should be able to get well above 220BHP with a 32mm restrictor, even running fully legal and you certainly will make more than stock torque figures.
John! Please don't make him any faster!

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horatio,
remenber PGT run a 32mm restrictor, so there is no way you'll be making more power than a stock US WRX.

Surely you can overcome the restrictor with increased boost and fuel maps to create more power, plus you're only required to run 1 cat iirc. Single cat plus high flow muffler (if any) alone is good for quite a bit of power from what I've heard.



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Dont agree with that at all Stephan. You can make 270BHP with a 32mm restricted Impreza engine and a hell of a lot more torque. You should be able to get well above 220BHP with a 32mm restrictor, even running fully legal and you certainly will make more than stock torque figures.
I think we were getting crossed on our numbers, the 150 is definately a wheel figure, whereas the 400 would more reasonably be a crank number. But I do agree that you can make more power legally than stock.
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