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05-22-2000, 02:04 AM | #1 |
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2000 2.5 RS Vs. 1996 Monte Carlo Z34
i have the rs and my cousin has the z34
we both just came back from playing army so we needed to have some fun we started at a bottom of a hill (i dont know the slope) for the first 2 seconds i was ahead of him while he was spinning his tires then it was all over he kicked my ass plain and simple at the top of the hill i reached about 90 i also had a full tank of fuel and the ac on (forgot to turn it off) the only mods i have is the 10 dollar intake im still waiting for the rs exhaust and the amsoil filter my cousin had a half tank, a 3.6 liter motor putting out 215 hp, and not going to add any mods too it its fast enough already is there anything i can do (besides turbo) to get my auto rs to at least run with him? thanks, space
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05-22-2000, 04:36 AM | #2 |
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Yes, buy a Mustang GT.
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05-22-2000, 06:02 AM | #3 |
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You're comparing apples to pencils. Of course he'll beat you in the straight. He's got a FWD V6. But take him into the twisties, then see what happens.
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05-22-2000, 07:42 AM | #4 |
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The 96 Monte has a 3.4 DOHC engine, that puts out 215HP, stock. With a intake, filter, you could be looking at around 230HP, not a bad car, but the handling compared to the RS has something to be desired...
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05-22-2000, 08:05 AM | #5 |
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brucelee: You must have the fastest N/A Impreza out there if all you have is a intake and cat back. Or the GT driver is a complete idiot, a RS will not touch a GT in the straights....
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05-22-2000, 09:07 AM | #6 |
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I agree, a stock GT will run 0-60 in under 6 seconds, whereas the RS does it in about 8.
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05-22-2000, 10:55 AM | #7 |
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haha, did he only have the single exaust pipe? Even tho the 6 puts down around 200+ hp, it's a pig.
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05-22-2000, 01:59 PM | #8 |
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sorry for the post and thanks for the correction on the 3.4 liter engine
i knew he would beat straight out but i want to just at least keep up with him somewhat closer than what i did i have to say he was going around 95-100 as for me 90 and i dont know about the handling i drove his car and it handles pretty good i just got my air filter today and going to order my exhaust hopefully this will help thanks, space |
05-22-2000, 02:15 PM | #9 |
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Wait, you drive an RS & you think the Monte Carlo handles pretty good?!?!
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05-22-2000, 02:25 PM | #10 |
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Comparing an RS to a Monte Carlo is like comparing a shopping cart with the bent wheels to a professional go cart! You pick, horsepower or g-forces? I picked g-forces..
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05-22-2000, 03:33 PM | #11 |
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Well if and when Shiv ever gets the TEC-II into production you can get one of them and install it, adjust the A/F, install a decent intake, increase fuel pressure, headers, high flow cats, better cat-back exhaust and then tune the car correctly. That should get you close to your goal. Then at least you might be more fairly matched. His 215hp to your stock 165 isn't much of a fair fight in a straight line. His larger displacement just gives him an edge when you compare stock to stock. The general agreement is that there is power to be had from the normally aspirated 2.5L engine. There just hasn't been a big push in that direction. Good luck to you in the future though.
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05-22-2000, 05:22 PM | #12 |
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I'm hang'n in there with the big GT mustangs No gas, no way !!!! P.S. I said hanging not beating !! its a tie :-) |
05-22-2000, 05:34 PM | #13 |
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Yep seen this kinda stuff before - only real way to go over in the states is by using a turbo - But just as a comparison we had a N/A cosworth sierra engine bored out to 2.4 liters that was good for about 390 - So if anyone out there knows a good source for steel cranks, forged pistons and high lift cams out there .......??????? - Trouble is by the time U spent all that money on it - might just as well gone out and bought a turbo kit. By the way a mustang GT could in no way keep up with a good Cosworth :-) lol Pity Ford didn't have enough insight to bring any of the decent products to the USA
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05-22-2000, 07:41 PM | #14 |
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1) weapon R or iSR intake
2) UD Racing Pulley 3) Exhaust 4) 20mm Sway Bar 5) tires per. SS 7000 (my choice) then you'll give your friend a run for his money. |
05-22-2000, 08:46 PM | #15 |
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It would also help some if you were a manual but you have no control over that now.
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05-22-2000, 09:58 PM | #16 |
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yeah i should of got the manual
but i never i'll have to wait on the exhaust till mid summer till apexi get one out i want the intake i have is the 10 dollar and the amsoil filter i am disappointed in it i thought i would feel some improvement in it but im still barely getting 90 out of the car on that hill and it seems like i lost power in it anyone else that has this setup think so too? thanks, space |
05-23-2000, 10:18 AM | #17 |
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Space,
When I did the amsoil and running the pipe to the fender, I felt as if I was either pulling harder after 4K or softer below 4K. The butt dyno is not good to compare run to run, but will tell you where any peaks and flatspots are. On a hot afternoon, I finally brought out my G-tec (X-mas present) and I pulled two back to back 9.91 0-60s (at least my technique was consitent.) 3000Grand slight slip launch, hit limiter in 1st and 2nd. This confirmed that I was losing power below 4K. I had also noticed soot on tail pipe and cruddy milage. I figured it was the rich run problem that everyone claims with 00's. The next morning I tried resetting the ECU with a towel resricting the flow to the intake. (Tarmac RS' Idea, I think!) This seems to have brought the bottom end back, I have not yet retested with the g-tech, but my milage seems better. Tim |
05-23-2000, 11:44 AM | #18 |
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The Z34 is not bred as a race car, as far as the dealers putting ground effects on them to make them look like Nascar racers, well I think thats stupid. I love the Monte to tell you the truth, but as anyone knows, it could use a little more *umph*, a turbo kit for the 3.4 litre would put this car in a class by itself. Or hell, why doesn't GM just drop a 3.8 Supercharged engine like the GrandPrix GTP has, now that would make a big difference. But trying to compares these 2 cars is a waste of time, seeing that they are on opposite ends of the stick
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05-23-2000, 11:49 PM | #19 |
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hmmmm just rained here
but i dont know if i can still beat him on the straight even if its rain twisted roads i can see but there are no roads like that here running the intake into the fender seemed like a waste of time for me i'll try the wet towel but heres some questions how thick of a towel? how wet? where do i place it? can i just put back on the silencer and mabey get back some of that lost hp at 4K and below range? wont the ecu figure out later that its been tricked and adjust itself? |
05-24-2000, 12:36 AM | #20 |
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Another thing the MC also has one huge advantage over the scooby, aerodynamics. The previous generation MC had one of the slipperiest shapes arround. The LSs with the same 3.4 as the Z34 (minus goofy body kits)are big time sleepers. My mom has a 98 LS with a 3.4 and K&N filtercharger. Pretty quick. Handling is aweful though.
OBTW take the hill in 3 instead of D. It will wind out more for you. For fun get him to race in the rain No contest!! [This message has been edited by jaybird (edited May 23, 2000).] |
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