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Old 05-11-2004, 08:41 AM   #1
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Gas prices rose again in my area last night

I'm ready to write/call/contact whoever it is that I need to contact and add my voice to the many others that has had enough.

At this pace, I will not be able to afford to drive my car.

Anyone know how much profit the oil companies made last year or where I could get that information? How can a company make billions of $'s in profit and get away with the price fluctuation?

****ing greedy bastards
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Old 05-11-2004, 08:47 AM   #2
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the problem is, no one cares, its partially the war going on. partially the fact that they can do that and you still buy it. and partially that they want to get rid of people who drive SUVs because theyre not economically efficient for the environment. if you ask me its a conspiracy for us to get rid of our cars and buy toyota celicas. or hundais!
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Old 05-11-2004, 08:51 AM   #3
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and partially that they want to get rid of people who drive SUVs because theyre not economically efficient for the environment. if you ask me its a conspiracy for us to get rid of our cars and buy toyota celicas. or hundais!

Worst statement EVAR!! You think the oil companies are raising prices so we DON'T buy SUVs that would make them richer? Why would the greedy ass oil companies want to cut their own revenue? That makes no sense, and there is no conspiracy, just good old capitalism.

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Old 05-11-2004, 08:54 AM   #4
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You are Paul Gascoigne. The oil company is Vinny Jones.

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Old 05-11-2004, 09:00 AM   #5
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At this pace, I will not be able to afford to drive my car.
If an extra $10/week in gas is enough to make you not afford to drive your car, then you should have bought a more fuel efficient vehicle.
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:02 AM   #6
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If an extra $10/week in gas is enough to make you not afford to drive your car, then you should have bought a more fuel efficient vehicle.
OK, I overstated on that one
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:03 AM   #7
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the problem is, no one cares, its partially the war going on. partially the fact that they can do that and you still buy it. and partially that they want to get rid of people who drive SUVs because theyre not economically efficient for the environment. if you ask me its a conspiracy for us to get rid of our cars and buy toyota celicas. or hundais!
But if the price of fuel keeps going up, they can't afford to gas up the Black Helicopters.
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:03 AM   #8
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If an extra $10/week in gas is enough to make you not afford to drive your car, then you should have bought a more fuel efficient vehicle.
Yea, I don't understand people that bitch about gas prices like this. They always get some douchebag on the news around this time saying "well with gas prices an extra 5 cents a gallon, I'm not going to go on vacation this summer." Look...if I can afford to pay for gas (no job the last 5 months) you can as well.
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OK, I overstated on that one
Good...I was gonna recommend something in a:

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Old 05-11-2004, 09:04 AM   #10
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If you really want to do something about it, get all of the different states to stop legistating special gas blends so that the refineries only have to produce and distribute half a dozen blends rather than over 100.

I know it's always fun to bash the oil companies because they're big business so they must be pure concentrated evil. And I'm sure there is definitely an element of greed involved, since gas prices always coincidentally go up right at the start of summer vacation driving season. But they're also being legislated to death, which isn't helping either. You have some states which have banned MBTE in their gas and others which mandate that it be in there. The EPA doesn't help either, requiring oxygenated gas in the winter which is completely unnecessary in fuel injected cars and just hurts mileage and increases pollution.
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:07 AM   #11
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It just sucks. Which I'm sure that everyone agrees.

I don't think that the price that I am paying is a honest reflection of what it costs to refine the oil. I feel that the prices fluctuate depending upon their views of supply and demand.

I wonder how much a gallon will be Memorial Day weekend
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:08 AM   #12
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So, how much is gas where you live?

Here in Boston, 93 has gone from $1.99 to $2.19 in just over a week


But it could be worse, I hear 91 has hit $2.75 in San Francisco
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:10 AM   #13
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I feel that the prices fluctuate depending upon their views of supply and demand.
Uh...yeah!

Like almost any other consumer product sold in the U.S. of A.
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:11 AM   #14
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If you really want to do something about it, get all of the different states to stop legistating special gas blends so that the refineries only have to produce and distribute half a dozen blends rather than over 100.
+1, aren't there something like 19 different blends on the west coast alone??
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:13 AM   #15
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It just sucks. Which I'm sure that everyone agrees.

I don't think that the price that I am paying is a honest reflection of what it costs to refine the oil. I feel that the prices fluctuate depending upon their views of supply and demand.

I wonder how much a gallon will be Memorial Day weekend
Crude is up 12 dollars from 27/bbl to 39/bbl. that's almost a 44% increase. its not the refining cost but the input cost that matters.
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:14 AM   #16
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Uh...yeah!

Like almost any other consumer product sold in the U.S. of A.
of course it's based on supply and demand. I'm saying that they abuse their position.

Bad analagy.... when 4th of July comes around there is a increase in demand for hot dogs. Do the prices rise since the demand rose? No, the prices are dropped due to the demand.

Gas companies work opposite of that. In my view.
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:15 AM   #17
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If an extra $10/week in gas is enough to make you not afford to drive your car, then you should have bought a more fuel efficient vehicle.

You're right with your idea. But for someone like me who drives over 70 miles a day to get to work, I sometimes fill up twice a week. At $10 a shot, it adds up atthe end of the month. That's usually around $40-50 for me. I need that money. All i'm saying is that it's a little different for everyone. As far as getting a more fuel efficient vehicle, I just can't. I love my rex.
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:18 AM   #19
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of course it's based on supply and demand. I'm saying that they abuse their position.

Bad analagy.... when 4th of July comes around there is a increase in demand for hot dogs. Do the prices rise since the demand rose? No, the prices are dropped due to the demand.

Gas companies work opposite of that. In my view.
Except you're wrong. I don't think our demand for fuel has changed much of the last six months. The price of crude has gone up by a factor of almost 50%. That is simply because it's supply is low. Lower supply with stable demand equals increased price.
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You're right with your idea. But for someone like me who drives over 70 miles a day to get to work, I sometimes fill up twice a week. At $10 a shot, it adds up atthe end of the month. That's usually around $40-50 for me. I need that money. All i'm saying is that it's a little different for everyone. As far as getting a more fuel efficient vehicle, I just can't. I love my rex.
Of course you need that money. Everyone needs that money. But if you had to spend an extra $50 a month in gas, and your inability to come up with that extra $50 means that you can't drive your car...then you simply have the wrong car for your financial situation, and should have bought a more economical one.
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of course it's based on supply and demand. I'm saying that they abuse their position.

Bad analagy.... when 4th of July comes around there is a increase in demand for hot dogs. Do the prices rise since the demand rose? No, the prices are dropped due to the demand.

Gas companies work opposite of that. In my view.
I think your analogies are off. Hot dog makers can easily increase supply to meet expected demand.

Oil can only be transported from point A to point B so fast. Ie say 10 million barrels/day. Assume we consume 9 million, then demand jumps to 11 million. There is more demand and meeting that demand isn't as simple as just turning on the faucet or running a couple of extra hours at the hot dog factory.

There are limits to supply both from OPEC quota countries and the logistics of ramping up the supply chain.

I think people's anger is misdirected at oil companies when it should be directed at OPEC and its member countries. ExxonMobil doesn't tell the Saudi Royal family how much it will pump or what price they will pay, the Saudi Royal family tells Exxon.
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I think people's anger is misdirected at oil companies when it should be directed at OPEC and its member countries. ExxonMobil doesn't tell the Saudi Royal family how much it will pump or what price they will pay, the Saudi Royal family tells Exxon.
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should have bought a more economical one.

When I bought the car, this wasn't the case. We're all victims of something we can't really control. We just have to re-arrange our lives and deal with it.
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of course it's based on supply and demand. I'm saying that they abuse their position.

Bad analagy.... when 4th of July comes around there is a increase in demand for hot dogs. Do the prices rise since the demand rose? No, the prices are dropped due to the demand.

Gas companies work opposite of that. In my view.
If the supply of hot dogs was low, or the manufacturers witheld supply, or raised their prices with fluctuations in the market.. then yes, the price of hotdogs would increase on the 4th of July.

To make a difference, we must start refining our own fuel. Buy crude oil, and refine it ourselves. Cut out the middle-man.
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When I bought the car, this wasn't the case. We're all victims of something we can't really control. We just have to re-arrange our lives and deal with it.
Of course. If someone loses their job, then lots of things they planned on are going to be put on hold, and their situation changes. Part of that life re-arrangement might include trading a vehicle with an expensive upkeep for one that's less expensive, as well as downsizing the rest of your life.

But this is definitely a hijack.
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