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Old 05-08-2004, 03:58 PM   #1
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Anyone know if howard county cop cars are moded? Or any other county. I have heard that they are and aren't. people who said they were said that they have a special engine made by ford and some cars might have nitrus. People who said they weren't said that cops take drving classes and really learn how to drive fast. I personaly think its a mix of both.

Baltimore county police cars are in bad shape because they are always being drvien, one cop comes out and another one gets right in. A baltimore county cop told me that.

I bet state police have very fast cars when it comes to doing high way patrol and such.

Just something I always wondered about but never wanted to find out first hand
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Old 05-08-2004, 04:17 PM   #2
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Standard issue cop cars have tuned engines and suspensions. They may not be able to run 140, but they can run at 100 all day long without even raising a sweat.

The state patrol have interceptors with bigger displacement and seriously tuned engines (mustangs/camaros) which easily get up to 140.

All police go through advanced driving classes as part of their training.
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Old 05-08-2004, 04:59 PM   #3
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NOS on a cop car!
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Old 05-08-2004, 05:34 PM   #4
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They have the same motor as any of us can get. Only difference would be the suspension and electronic noise filtering/suppression, to keep out engine noise in there radios.
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Old 05-08-2004, 05:41 PM   #5
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Sktobe, that make sense.

My friend got a z28 from his uncle. It use to be an old fbi car and its amazingly fast. It beat a viper in a race and was just even faster with mods. So his uncle took out the some chip in it, its not as fast but still is a beast. I figured state patrol had tuned cars.

But I just wonder if you every day county cop car is highly tuned
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Old 05-08-2004, 06:06 PM   #6
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electronic noise filtering/suppression, to keep out engine noise in there radios.
Not crown vics or Impalas, even with the police package wiring. Although the Ford rep tried to tell me otherwise, so I took everything apart and made him point out the so called equipment.
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Old 05-08-2004, 07:09 PM   #7
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Standard issue cop cars have tuned engines and suspensions. They may not be able to run 140, but they can run at 100 all day long without even raising a sweat.

The state patrol have interceptors with bigger displacement and seriously tuned engines (mustangs/camaros) which easily get up to 140.

All police go through advanced driving classes as part of their training.
Besides the standard heavy duty suspension, Howard County Cops don't have a tuned engine in their cop cars, save maybe for one of two of the unmarked squad cars.

I think those Police V8s are stock for the most part. Maybe they are tuned for a little more higher output, but that maybe puts a 30 or 40 hp @ flywheel gain over the standard v8 output.

And you don't need a tuned v8 to do 100 mph all day long w/o breaking a sweat. My truck with just a intake and exhaust will do 100 and stay right around 3000 rpms, and it has a 6000 rpm operating range, and the temp gauges won't rise or anything. Its all about the gobs of torque these engines put out from the factory that get your butt rolling up to 100 quickly.

Now as for the state police, yea most of those squad cars are supercharged and will put out some speed. Same for the confiscated undercover Mustangs they use up here by the Tunnels and Bridges.

Remember, police depts. have to pay car insurance to.
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Old 05-08-2004, 07:41 PM   #8
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most of those squad cars are supercharged
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Old 05-08-2004, 09:14 PM   #9
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To my knowledge they are. It makes sense as well b/c typically superchargers on v8s will give a stock engine a 80-100 (high number in some cases) hp gain (flywheel #'s) so long as you got a free-flowing exhaust (which the cop cars do, they have true dual exhaust). And they are very reliable to depending on design. Also, depending on manufacturer, you can still put 87 octane into the gas tank if you wanted to. With Magnacharger, who makes the superchargers that TRD puts their label on for Tundra applications, they are able to warranty their parts for 5 years providing install is done correctly.

And these squad cars (as well as their civilian versions) on the road are powered by the 4.6 L v8, which is the same engine put into Mustangs (difference between the two apps is how the engine is tuned). These engines have a reputation of responding VERY well to modifications.

Why the cops didn't get Impalas though beats me. I read an article where they interviewed the police depts that had the Crown Vics, then switched to Impalas, and they said the Impalas held up better over time than the Crown Vics. Also, I heard that the Impalas for police use supposedly had access to LS1 V8s (someone verify for sure on that last remark?)

One last thing to add. Many of the non hi-performance cars from the factory have built-in speed governors on their vehicles from the factory, especially on automatic transmissions. Typically these are set to not let your car/truck/SUV exceed 100 mph. Unless you get a performance chip or reprogram the ECU, you cannot get rid of that governor. While this is of course done for safety reasons to make sure you don't hurt yourself, I am sure the FOP quietly supported it since it gives the police the upper hand when the person they are in pursuit of hits 100 and their car kicks them back to 95. I know for a fact that these governors exist on GM and Dodge non-performance vehicles.

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Old 05-09-2004, 12:53 AM   #10
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Now as for the state police, yea most of those squad cars are supercharged and will put out some speed.
not to knock you, but you sir are talking out your ass

the benefit of the doubt, 1 or 2 in the entire state actual patrol cars may be, but the majority of your average trooper take home patrol vehicle is a standard police interceptor ford package, with no further modification.
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Old 05-09-2004, 01:15 AM   #11
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There was a huge thread in OT about this... The main differences are the suspension, a different rear diff (final drive ratio is different)...

A cop car Z28 beating a viper? Gimme a break
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Old 05-09-2004, 01:27 AM   #12
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The impala's that had access to the LS1 V8's were the '96 and earlier models that were rear wheel drive and looked basically like a Crown Vic. A buddy of mine has one and in a straight line it's really fast.
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Old 05-09-2004, 02:51 AM   #13
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never listen to n00bs.

There are police officers in this forum. I doubt they'll answer as to what exactly is in them but you're pretty much talking out your ass. brian is very close to correct as far as i know.

just don't speed in Prince wIlliam county. they have sick crap.
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Old 05-09-2004, 03:51 AM   #14
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Howard county is now using 2003 Nissan Maxima's as unmarked units. I have seen 4-5 of these pulling people over . One unit ven had tinted windows. These cars have no antenna AT ALL. And the burgundy one we saw one day 2 weeks ago, was clean and had tire shine on the rims,..I slowed down enough to show my buddie who didnt believe me when I told him this 2 months ago. Dude had on full uniform and lights in the grill, dash, and special lights in the rear backup light assemblies. So if you think som young guy is blingin' and wants to run you in his 260hp Maxima, you're wrong, he is gonna write ya a nice one. ALSO lookout for Altima's in Columbia around the mall area, as they sit in some crazy spots late at night and just come out of no-where.

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Old 05-09-2004, 04:07 AM   #15
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I've been trying to put the word out about those maximas. I saw one about 6 months ago on Rt. 100 with a car pulled over. Strobe lights in the headlights and tail lights as well as buried in the grill. No lights were visible unless they were activated.
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Old 05-09-2004, 08:18 PM   #16
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Stats from Superstreet:

2002 Chevy Camaro
5.7 V8
310 HP @ 5200 rpm
335 trq @ 4000
Double Wishbone, anti-roll bar


2003 Chevy Impala
3.8 V6
200 HP @ 5200
220 trq @ 4000
MacPherson strut, anti-roll bar

Ford Police Interceptor
4.6 V8
239 HP @ 4750
287 trq @ 4100
Double Wishbone, anti-roll bar

2003 Dodge Intrepid
3.5 V6
242 @ 6400
248 trq @ 3950
MacPherson strut, anti-roll bar


All use four speed automatics
All use Goodyear Eagle RS-A's
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Stats from Superstreet:

2002 Chevy Camaro
5.7 V8
310 HP @ 5200 rpm
335 trq @ 4000
Double Wishbone, anti-roll bar


2003 Chevy Impala
3.8 V6
200 HP @ 5200
220 trq @ 4000
MacPherson strut, anti-roll bar

Ford Police Interceptor
4.6 V8
239 HP @ 4750
287 trq @ 4100
Double Wishbone, anti-roll bar

2003 Dodge Intrepid
3.5 V6
242 @ 6400
248 trq @ 3950
MacPherson strut, anti-roll bar


All use four speed automatics
All use Goodyear Eagle RS-A's
I have a very strong feeling these stats are understated, b/c those stats are not different from a stock version of those cars. And I know the cop versions perform different. In fact, the cop cars I see around here have Goodyear Eagle GT III tires on them. Those stats are probably before the available performance options available to the police.
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never listen to n00bs.

There are police officers in this forum. I doubt they'll answer as to what exactly is in them but you're pretty much talking out your ass. brian is very close to correct as far as i know.

just don't speed in Prince wIlliam county. they have sick crap.
Like I said, do a search in OT for "police car"...
It's not hard to find used interceptors for sale, and many sites out there have a pic of the original sticker. I know a local member who just picked up a Interceptor crown vic on ebay for pretty damn cheap.
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I work for Baltimore County. Our cars are almost all crown vic police interceptors. No superchargers or NOS

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Baltimore county police cars are in bad shape because they are always being drvien, one cop comes out and another one gets right in. A baltimore county cop told me that.
They actually aren't in "bad shape", they are just driven hard. About half of our cars are driven 24 hours a day (some cars are only driven one shift, and some only two). They aren't in perfect shape, but most of them run fine. Most of the cars are replaced when they get to around 100,000 miles (or when we total them...)
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I have a very strong feeling these stats are understated, b/c those stats are not different from a stock version of those cars. And I know the cop versions perform different. In fact, the cop cars I see around here have Goodyear Eagle GT III tires on them. Those stats are probably before the available performance options available to the police.
Those stats are not the same as stock vehicles. A stock crown vic has 224 Hp and 272 Torque vs. 239 Hp and 287 Torque for the police interceptor. Slightly more power for the police package, but not much. I don't know why you think that normal police cruisers are crazy fast cars, 'cause they're not. They don't have to be, their radios and helicopters are much faster. People that run from cops are generally stupid and will make a mistake that leaves them pwn3d and in handcuffs, anyway.
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Old 05-09-2004, 10:47 PM   #21
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...or when we total them...

how often does that happen?
Sir, are you an officer of the law, sir?
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Check out these links, hopefully they will settle this once and for all:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/products/...cPoliceInt.asp

http://gmfleet.com/us/products/speci...ice/impala9c1/

Today's police cars really aren't anything special as far as engines go. I once owned an '89 Caprice police car, that had a 350 TBI engine. The police package was the only way you could get that large an engine in a sedan until 1994, when both the civilian and police models were available with the 350 LT1, derived from the Corvette engine bearing the same name. I think Ford stopped offering a larger police engine around that same time frame, but I'm not sure.

I bought that car at auction, in addition to the '95 Caprice that I currently own (equipped with a T56 6-speed manual : ) ), so I've had an opportunity to look at quite a few old cruisers. Not once have I seen one with a hopped-up engine. Why bother to mod a Crown Vic, when you can buy a police package Camaro (up until a few years ago, at least) that is as fast as 99% of the cars on the road, keep it bone stock, and still have factory relaibility? Any one who mods their car, and I'm sure at least several people here can attest to this, knows that the more you deviate from stock, the worse your reliability will be. I don't see any police agency wanting to do that to their entire fleet.
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how often does that happen?
Sir, are you an officer of the law, sir?
couple of years ago, at Summit Point, I was involved in the program where we would instruct and train some of the secret service, and special agents on j-turns and some tactical driving stuff. Some of the guys were ex-local cops and some FBI, and CIA agents, but most of these guys can drive very well,....as I am sure Elgorey will tell you, those crown vic's that they have ,we also have @ the track and use for training manuevers, and they suck,......so for some of these officers of the law to catch the guys they catch in some of these fast cars,.....its amazing , and tells you how much most people suck under real pressure when they decide to run from the law.

A LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time ago I was a passenger in a car when a guy I know decided to run from a state trooper, as we were already going 140 when we flew by him. I didnt agree with this and was called a punk amongst other names,..but man, I dont care how much a cushion you think you have,.....when they are coming, they are coming, thats it,......you better just have like a rolling truck with opening door like something out of the movies, cause they are gonna catch ya.......................as for that night,..we caught a break, there had been a bad accident on the opposite side of the road, and dude decided to choose his battles,and turned to take care of those people. I am not friends with that guy any longer, as it made me more aware of who I get in the car with,.....................kinda like instructing at the track !!!!!!

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LT1 engines help too on the caprices.. that's what I know of.. oh yea, you know those light bars? for MSRP on those suckers are about $5k and up..

wouldnt ricers want that to match their neon kits and insanely high K's HID kits??


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how often does that happen?
Sir, are you an officer of the law, sir?
Yes, I'm a police officer. We actually don't total them very often, but working in a busy area with a lot of officers, cars are bound to get banged up (sometimes from us and in that case usually somehow involving a pursuit, and most of the time from someone hitting us when we are running lights and sirens). I'd say that at least 75% of the cars that get damaged somehow, involve someone not yielding to a police car that has lights and sirens on.
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