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Old 05-16-2000, 10:20 AM   #1
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Cool I think I have done it.. Ultimate 2000 intake

Is it a home made job, yes! Is it a prefabed intake like the weapon R.. yes! Does it use the best of all designs.. I think so. And most importantly, does it work.. HELL yes..

Before I get into to many details, I want to say how this intake performs, because thats what people really care about. It looks like th car could have come this way, no cheesy Home depot stuff. It really supports the bottom end and middle range. It actaully makes 4800-6000 usable and very fun. Absolutely no flat spot anywhere in the acceleration that I have found yet.. push pedal, it pulls harder..

sounds too good to be true huh? Thats what I thought!

I know this sucks but I dont have a picture to post. I dont have a way to post a picture here. But I will scan it in at work and email it to anybody who is interested.

My intake started out as a ISR intake. For those not familiar it uses the stock air box but replaces the panel filter with a gasket. Then it has a tube that comes out of the inlet and makes a 45 degree bend or so and has a K&N filter on the end. This system provided very good top end, but I did notice a slight loss of low end punch. Not much at all but noticeable, especially when the engine got hot and it started sucking in hot air.

My solution. Reinstall my Amsoil filter, which has great flow characteristics, and extend the ISR tube with silicone intake tubing (not dryer hose, this is smooth stuff made to duct turbos and like) to the two holes in the passenger side front fender well. On a MY2000 one of these holes has a plastic cap to cover it off. The angle of the ISR intake tube convienently points directly to that plastic cover. So I took out my dremel and cut a 2.5" hole in it to support the tube and the intake. This forms a sort of seal. Its more of a holder than anything else. It keeps the intake from bouncing around to much when the engine torques up so everything stays put!

The fender as everybody already knows is a great source of cold air. Dont belive me.. drive around the block once or twice and then pop the hood and put your hand in one of those holes.. its actually still COOL.. not even warm.. where as three inches in the engine bay its still very warm.

So my friends my intake is like three in one.. and ISR, an Amsoil, and some silicone ductwork. In my humble opinion, its the best solution. No boxes to build that may or may not keep warm air out. It actually draws in cold air from the fender. And most of all it really WORKS!

IT was also very expensive hahahah..I had to buy all those kits..... but I am not regreting the money.. for the performance I would do it again!

Take it easy guys and gals
This is Scrappy..signing off .


P.S.if anybody is interested, please email me at Sdamico007@aol.com and I will try my hardest to get you a picture with some part numbers and tips...

I think that everybody will be very happy with this mod.. also if anybody can post a picture I give them I would appreciate it greatly... I just want to help out..

later!


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Old 05-16-2000, 11:01 AM   #2
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Where do you get the silicone intake tubing? It may be cheaper just to run that from the fender to the airbox, no?
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Old 05-16-2000, 11:02 AM   #3
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quite possibly... but I already had hte intake so I used it...
www.bakerprecision.com

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Old 05-16-2000, 11:03 AM   #4
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Hey Scrappy, sounds pretty cool (the mod, not the air going in!)

I will email you for a pic.

1 question, though, do you reset the ECU or are you going to have it relearn slowly? Just curious.
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Old 05-16-2000, 11:12 AM   #5
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Would you be able to tell me the exact parts from that website that I'd need if I wanted to run a hose from the airbox to the fender?
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Old 05-16-2000, 01:07 PM   #6
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My last tank had the intake on it for only 1/4 of the way.. but I got 23 mpg in the city... thats par for the course... for my car, for the way I drive normaly

I dont think I will have any adverse effects on my mileage. If they would have been really bad I think that they would have shown up .. all is well so far..

as far as running rich.. the mileage will tell.. but I dont have an air/fuel gage handy.. maybe I should buy one?..
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Old 05-16-2000, 02:12 PM   #7
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scrappy -

There is a thread in the legacy forum and I posted an idea of a somewhat-hybrid application of your idea... but I have a question: how flexible are the straight sections of the piping? As you can see, our stock intake is a few kinks and curves, and ofcourse we would prefer to smooth out the airflow...

Keep us informed, this looks like the best idea yet for the MY2000s...

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Old 05-16-2000, 02:40 PM   #8
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Thanks RandyF, I think its pretty good too, and best of all its really a cold air… (well colder air! Ha ha)

The silicone hose that I got was not that flexible in a bending sort of way.. you can take it in your hand and squish it like say a radiator hose but you cant bend it without kinking the line.. The inside looks like smooth rubber, shiny its so smooth. Its flexible but will not bend without seriously deforming the round shape. I NEED to get a picture of my setup on this board somehow so people can see what I am talking about!

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Old 05-16-2000, 02:46 PM   #9
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If you want a good place to purchase any silicone hose or mandrel bent Al to make your own intake go here:
http://www.azscooby.freeservers.com/

And look at the custom intake info I have there. There is a place in Canada that sold me the parts for a reasonable price.

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Old 05-16-2000, 02:47 PM   #10
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e-mail it or ICQ it to me and I'll post it!
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Old 05-16-2000, 03:01 PM   #11
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thank you sir.. its on the way soon!!!

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Old 05-16-2000, 04:11 PM   #12
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Sounds like a good plan, but I'd be a little concerned that one good shot into a 20-foot long monster puddle would drown the engine. What steps have you taken to prevent water from entering the intake? I suppose you could put a lever activated "alternate air" vent under the hood for wet conditions or something like that. Any other ideas?

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Old 05-16-2000, 06:07 PM   #13
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I truely thing it would take an act of GOD to get water in my engine... The chamber that the intake sticks into is fairly well cut off from the outside.... if for some reason that water could get into that chamber... it would have to flow up against gravity all the way to the airbox... then it would have to fill the air box at a rate that exceeds the drain holes in it...(I think it has a hole or two in it) Then it would have to get through an oil soaked filter that would tend to repel water.. to a degree....

to sum it up.. I belive its highly unlikely!

but when the pictures show up you can judge for yourself though... fair enough..

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Old 05-16-2000, 06:34 PM   #14
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SCRAPPYDO, act of God, huh? I had an intake similar... ran stock plenum box with a set of hoses running into the fenderwell sealed in there. Well I plowed through a puddle one time not thinking and sucked up some water. It soaked the filter and the car had a hard time running and was blowing white smoke like nuts. No more then 3000rpm with my foot to the floor for a minute or two and then it started running better once it started drying out the filter a little. I drove it to work (less then a block from there) and let it sit all day until I left (~8 hours) and the filter had dried up and it ran normally. Very, very close call.
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Old 05-16-2000, 09:35 PM   #15
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point well taken.. I will let you look at the pictures and you can give me some advice okay..?

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Sure, I'm always interested in pics.

There isn't much you can do if you want to avoid getting water in there besides taking it easy through puddles. A baffle inside the fender (under the opening of the tube) might make it less likely to happen, but getting it in there is a problem, and testing that theory isn't fun to begin with.
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Old 05-16-2000, 11:09 PM   #17
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I've designed an intake using pieces of straight and mandrel bent aluminum tubing plus silicon joints and hose clamps, which will cost about $60 in parts and be a lot cheaper than the whole thing as silicon tubing (or ISR intake).

I should be getting the parts soon, but I just spent $475 on Stromung full catback exhaust with shipping last week plus $199 on new ATT pocket net phone today, so money is tight.

See my current $10 intake at www.ImprezaRS.com, which works so well that I don't really need the nicer looking intake right away. My AMSOIL filter made just as much a difference as the cold air intake.
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Old 05-17-2000, 12:32 AM   #18
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Ridinlow -

that would be hard.. I can tell you its 2.5 inch tubing.. I never actually tried what you are talking about. I dont see why it would not work though. They really dont make curved tubing in long lengths though... 2 inches to 4 inches or so is as long as the bent peices go.. you really need something to bridge that gap. They only make bent peices to change direction. The straight sections you can buy per foot so thats not a real problem..

These folks at baker sell high quality stuff. They dont keep lots of it in stock since they make it right there in their plant.. they can get what you need in no longer than 2 weeks I would say if they dont already have it in stock.

Dan00RS -

no I did not reset the ECU.. I usually dont do that.. I dont think it would hurt anything to try it.. I am just very happy with the way the car runs off the line and on the freeway.. there really is no comprise so far at all with this mod.. I love it!

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Old 05-17-2000, 12:46 AM   #19
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How has your gas mileage changed? Also, is it running rich like most other MY00's? I would still like to see a sure fire solution to the rich run issues. It doesn't seem that the ECU reset has been confirmed to help.
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Old 05-17-2000, 06:20 AM   #20
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here are the pics




There you go!

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Old 05-17-2000, 07:44 AM   #21
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Thanks for posting my pictures Imprezive!! I sincerely appreciate it!

Now everybody can see what I have been so hiped up about haha.. any questions, comments, criticisms, are welcome.

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Old 05-17-2000, 08:04 AM   #22
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Did you seal off the other opening in the fender?

Can't tell from the pic and couldn't see anything in the posts to say you did.

Looks good though.
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Old 05-17-2000, 08:23 AM   #23
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Actaully I did not cover that other hole... It might work better if I did...I have not thought of a really tasteful way of doing it.. But, on a side note, after I drove around all day, the air inside that uncovered hole was still cool, so I did not bother to spend any time blocking it off.

I am working on it though. But here is a thought. If that compartment were to be filled with water, the uncovered hole is lower than the intake hole. This would help stop a disaster to a point... wont do much for splashes...

I looked into the possibility of water getting in the compartment...(as requested by an experienced subie owner!) on a 2000 I think its blocked off from the wheel and ground completely.. I will have to borrow my dads boroscope (spelling?) and look down there! I know the 1999 model had a large part of the silencer in the fender well....so it might not be as protected as the 2000.. just a speculation...I am sure somebody who knows more will correct me promptly if I am wrong..

At least I hope they do!

TAke it easy..

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Wow, that looks really cool. I'll have to see how much ISR will just sell the piping for.

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I hate to sound cheap, but just go to the muffler shop around the corner, tell them the diameter and the degre of the curve you want and its pretty dang cheap.
I got a 10 fool piece of stainless 2.5" tubing with 3 separate bends in it for 40 bucks as i need the bends in my turbo kit/exhaust mountning project.
He was going to sell just the 3 bends to me for like 15 bucks, but i wanted the rest of the pipe for the straight sections.
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