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Old 05-17-2000, 08:27 AM   #1
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Thumbs up Prodrive P1 review

I wouldn't hesitate to say that this is indeed the best road suspension for the Impreza. I am sure that there are stiffer coilover set ups out there. But lets face it, most of us don't get to the track often enough to justify a race bred coil over. I would recommend this set up to everyone. The ride is very firm, but not even close to jarring or harsh. It feels as smooth and complying as the stock set up. I was concerned that the car would be a handful on rough roads, not the case. My car just eats up bumps in the same manner as a sport bike. The ride height is only slightly lower than stock. I have 215/45-17 and think that the wheel gap is perfect, about 2-3 fingers. Keep in mind this this isn't a lowering suspension, if you want low, go with the H&R's or the oh so popular Tein. I will be at Carlisle this weekend if you would like to check it out.

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Old 05-17-2000, 09:10 AM   #2
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Chris,
Do you have any experience with any of the other Impreza suspensions? i.e. Prodrive GT, STi Ver 5, etc. etc. Either your own car or time in someone else's.

Anyone one with the new Prodrive WR Sport yet?
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Old 05-17-2000, 09:20 AM   #3
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Yea, I am familiar with the Gt and the H&R. I have driven several different coilover swt ups, K&W, H&R, Spax. I honestly feel that there isn't a better blend of practicality and performance. All of the "It's too hard" statements are just hype.
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Old 05-17-2000, 09:42 AM   #4
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Few Questions,
What Strut were you given?
Could you guess how much the car was lowered?
Have you gone on a bumpy road....hit a pot hole yet?

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Old 05-17-2000, 11:02 AM   #5
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I have the Ver.6 sti strut. I thought that we cleared this up. The statements that have been made about this kit comming with ver.5 or type RA are result of ignorance. I would say that the car might have been lowered 1 inch. As for bumps, it eats then up. I live in south central PA, plenty of pot holes. The suspension actually have helper springs that help absorb big bumps in a progressive manner.
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Old 05-17-2000, 11:13 AM   #6
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Chris, could you possibly be more abrasive? I want to say so much more than that, but let's keep it polite.

The reason people are curious about exactly what you've got is discussions like this. But what do they know, right?
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Old 05-17-2000, 11:33 AM   #7
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I have been told that I come off as being very short. I apologize. It seems that there are a few people on this board that want to question the integrity of this set up. I really wish all of you could drive it, If you are coming to Carlisle you are more than welcome to check it out. I can't stress enough how versatile this set up is. I am sure that a properly set up Tein or Leda equipped car on the track would spank the P1 suspension. But for real world conditions it is perfect. My car was totally stock, I installed suspension and 17" wheels and it feels like a totally new car. Very solid and smooth. My last car was a Golf with Spax 24 way adjustable coil overs, 26mm hollow sway bars and all of the normal strut bars. On the street, my Impreza would have rocked the Golf, for 1/3 the cost.


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Old 05-17-2000, 02:19 PM   #8
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Meet Chris in person, he's a hell of a guy. Even if he trys to run from ya, when you track him down on the circuit in York, Pa. It was almost like from a movie, chasing him threw dark alleys, and getting snow dumped on my car from the beauty of all wheel drive. And, with that said, may I be first in line for getting to feel the new suspension?

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Old 05-17-2000, 02:22 PM   #9
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No harm done, I like the info you're sharing. Regardless of what goes into the kit, results and cost are what ultimately matters... and if you paid something like the $775+S/H Mike Shields was promising, I'd say that results sound good so far!
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Old 05-17-2000, 05:24 PM   #10
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is this true? i don't have 17", will it cause problem to install this kit on my stock my2000?

quoted from http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/Forum10/HTML/000142.html

"Please remember that the suspension is only part of the package, with very specific set-up of camber/toe also specified, and designed to run on 17 inch wheels."
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Old 05-18-2000, 07:42 AM   #11
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No, but don't go around saying that you have P1 handling. I am sacrificing tire wear in place of the correct Prodrive alignment settings. It takes more than a prodrive sticker and P1 springs and struts to make your car handle like a P1.
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Old 05-18-2000, 07:46 AM   #12
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Chris,
I'm not trying to question the integrity of any suspension. I'm just trying to get a better feel of which suspension would be best for me.

Ryan Plum had posted the info from Mike Shields on the new offerings. http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/Foru...ML/001521.html Of the three; Prodrive GT, Prodrive WR Sport, and P1, the P1 was said to be the stiffest and the GT the softest. This leaves the WR Sport somewhere inbetween.

In the third paragraph, Mike says "...you must sacrifice the great ride quality of the GT setup to achieve the "high confidence", high speed turn-in ability of the WR Sport suspension." This got me thinking that maybe the WR Sport would be too much for my strictly daily driver. And with the P1 being stiffer than that, I wasn't even considering it. Now after reading your review and the first post in the link yuusaku provided, the P1 doesn't seem all that bad from a ride quality standpoint. Thus the WR Sport or P1 maybe a good fit for me after all.

Unfortunately I can't make it to Carlisle. Otherwise I would definitely check out your ride.

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Old 05-18-2000, 08:27 AM   #13
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And yet the interesting thing is that the GT and WR Sport are $1240 and the P1 is $775. Those bilstein struts must be quite expensive compared to the version 6 struts (probably KYB).
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Old 05-18-2000, 08:31 AM   #14
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They are KYB, it's stamped right on them. However the Bilstein's aren't inverted.
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Old 05-18-2000, 07:10 PM   #15
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Can you post some pics of your car with the P1's on.
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Old 05-18-2000, 07:45 PM   #16
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"However the Bilstein's aren't inverted."
Does that make a difference?

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Old 05-19-2000, 07:13 AM   #17
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In my opinion yes. My ducati had inverted struts, as does the jaded R1 and R6. In an inverted strut it is the fluid that moves up and down over the piston. Instead of the piston moving through the fluid.

As for pics, I will have tons from the Carlisle show this weekend.

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Old 05-19-2000, 11:20 AM   #18
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chrisj,

can you please post the pic on this board, i live in Canada, can't attend Carlisle.
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Old 05-20-2000, 12:06 AM   #19
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I believe the inverted strut design will be more reliable and last longer under abuse.

Think about it this way:
Would you rather have a hooker with spikey high heels step on your hand or would you rather have someone of equal weight stepping on your hands with regular shoes.

Obviously, the more surface area will distribute the weight and won't cause as much stress on your hand than a spike heel.

I think the smaller piston design is fine for normal street use but for Rally and any other harsh envronment, an inverted strut design will place less stress on the seals in the struts and in return will make them last longer.

Same reason why you never see Honda's with inverted struts. Personally, I've only seen inverted struts on Rally type cars or other serious race cars.
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Old 05-20-2000, 03:01 AM   #20
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Aspen,

Can we get some more info on that hooker in the heels before making a decision?

Great analogy, no idea if it really applies to struts, but still a great analogy!

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Old 05-21-2000, 07:32 PM   #21
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I was at Carlisle this weekend and saw Chris's car with the P1 installed. All I can say is, AWESOME look. I wish I would have gotten a ride but maybe some other time. This looks to be the perfect suspension for 17" wheels. The gap is perfect. Other than that I really can't say too much, since his car was just sitting there. After I get my wheels on I'll have to see how it compares to the height I have set right now with my GC/AGX setup.
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Old 05-22-2000, 07:36 AM   #22
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Sorry I couldn't hang around to let people drive my car. The rain and everything was quite a downer. My fiance lost her job over the show, so we were kinda bumed out. Trust me it handles every bit as good as it looks. Thanks for the copmliment!
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