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Old 05-12-2004, 07:51 AM   #1
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Default FXT vs WRX

Still lookin to purchase:

FXT or a WRX?

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Old 05-12-2004, 09:40 AM   #2
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Can't go wrong either way if you ask me. Depends on your needs / personnel pref. I went with the Forester XT because between the two the insurance is cheaper and it has a higher stealth factor among other things like no turbo lag.
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Old 05-12-2004, 10:35 AM   #3
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wagon vs wagon debate:
wrx wagon will have a slight edge on handling because of lower COG. FXT has slight edge on straight line acceleration.
both haul, both look good.
FXT is more stealth, but thats not objective.
i would get a ride in both from someone, then go drive both at the dealer, in that order.
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Old 05-12-2004, 10:36 AM   #4
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Test drive drive them back to back like I did. No contest. I was debating between a WRX wagon or an XT, and after experiencing the comparatively slow WRX, my decision was made - and now I have a lot more cargo space too
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Old 05-12-2004, 11:00 AM   #5
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The turbo lag in the WRX killed my interest. I always thought of it as muscle car vs sports car.

FXT=Muscle Car
WRX=Sports Car

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Old 05-12-2004, 11:53 AM   #6
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i drove a 02 wrx wgn until i picked up an fxt this feb just so i could tow a 17' boat...

VERY HAPPY with the change...
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Old 05-12-2004, 02:12 PM   #7
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Flip a coin in the air and hold your breath...they both rule!!

Forester's got the size, power, insurance and stealth advantages. The WRX has handling, braking, and style points. Drive them both back to back!

I waffled around a bit too, but in the end, went for the Forester. It's nice not to be raced at every light the way I was in my BMW Z3. On the other hand, tromping the local euro crowd (only when they ask for it) in a wagon provides endless entertainment.
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Old 05-12-2004, 03:31 PM   #8
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Thanks for everyone's imput.

Being a 20 year old college student, I'm really attracted to the WRX's look and style.

But insurance and utility are much better in the Forester, so I'll probably go with that. My friends would probably prefer the extra (but miniscule) leg room.

Thanks again!
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Old 05-12-2004, 04:00 PM   #9
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boilerpilot 2007 huh? Let me guess, you are going to school at Purdue University to be a pilot? Go Boilermakers! Class of 1997 here.

I drove both the wrx wagon, and the Forester auto and manual. I also drove an STI and an EVO on previous occasions. The WRX wagon suffered from too much lag. It was very tossable, but brakng wasn't/isn't much better if at all that the FXT. The fit and finish of the interior of the WRX wagon seemed cheep in compaison to the FXT. The FXT had way more torque, which to me was improtant since my old daily driver was a modified 91 LX 5.0 mustang I used to open track. I chose the FXT premium because I wanted the leather and huge moonroof.

Either way, the awd will come in handy in the Indiana winters.
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Old 05-12-2004, 04:21 PM   #10
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There are cures for turbo lag

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Old 05-12-2004, 04:34 PM   #11
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Yah, a smaller turbo, or a bigger engine...
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Old 05-12-2004, 07:19 PM   #12
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I had a stage 4 WRX wagon that I got rid of for my FXT. I couldn't be more happy.

The way I look at it is that it is easier to change the handling of the FXT than it is to change the turbo lag of the WRX. For the way that I drive 95% of the time the FXT is so much more enjoyable.
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Old 05-13-2004, 01:37 AM   #13
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boilerpilot 2007 huh? Let me guess, you are going to school at Purdue University to be a pilot? Go Boilermakers! Class of 1997 here...
Is the FXT becoming the car of choice for distinguished Boilers everywhere???

Class of 1988 here...
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Old 05-13-2004, 06:51 AM   #14
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Well, my initial impression is that you guys are smokin' yer Cheerios. My mom has an 02 Forester XS and it feels like a truck compared to my WRX, especially when it comes to handling.

BUT!! I have never driven an XT so I can not give a good comparison. Aside from the turbo how does the XT differ from the XS?
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Old 05-13-2004, 07:38 AM   #15
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Old 05-13-2004, 08:34 AM   #16
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Aside from the turbo how does the XT differ from the XS?
you must be kidding...
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Old 05-13-2004, 09:48 AM   #17
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If you haven't driven an XT I think it's a fair question I suppose.

Suspension wise the difference between an 02' XS and 04' XT is not a lot. I do believe they have upgraded the struts valving and put in larger sway bars and solid end links. However 04' Foresters all have the same suspension, nothing special about the XT. There is a world of difference in the motor. The XT has a Detuned version of the STi's motor. Detuning includes smaller turbo and IC, some ECU programming, pre cat and we think a different intake manifold.

The first test ride I took in an 04 Forester (stepping out of my RS with a P1 suspension and all sorts of upgrades that made for a notch under bone crushing ride) I was very disappointed how poorly it felt. I've driven a WRX wagon and compared it to my RS too and felt the same way. Both the Forester and WRX wagon felt very numb and unresponsive relatively speaking to my fully worked RS. This was to be expected though. I have to say the Forester was a lot worse than the WRX.

After living with the XT for a while I got use to the suspension and it wasn't quite as bad as my first impressions lead me to believe. Still I felt it needed to be improved. After doing what I will consider minor to medium upgrades. Springs, wheel/tire and rear sway bar changes, my XT now handles as good if not better than a WRX wagon and it's still pretty easy to live with for day to day driving. Cost outlay was about 1,600 USD Heck I think new rubber and just a swaybar helps quite a bit (same can be said for the WRX too)

It's easier and cheaper to get an FX-T to WRX wagon standards because it's suspension stuff. But to get a WRX wagon to the FX-T's motor I think it will be more difficult. For me anyway I find suspension work easier than motor work. There is also the interior and amenities in the Forester to consider that are a notch above the WRX in my opinion.

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Old 05-13-2004, 10:30 AM   #18
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I'd concur with Peaty's remarks. XS is nothing like FXT. And any FXT owner who's into performance is going to make the tires/swaybar mods. I believe the cost will actually be way less than the $1,600 Pete mentions for most people. If you wait until the OEM Geolanders go and then get the swaybar your effective cost is only $100. Even going with new 17" wheels, new tires, and the swaybar, the cost is more like $500 if you sold the OEM stuff when you buy FXT.

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Old 05-13-2004, 10:53 AM   #19
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Well, my initial impression is that you guys are smokin' yer Cheerios. My mom has an 02 Forester XS and it feels like a truck compared to my WRX, especially when it comes to handling.

BUT!! I have never driven an XT so I can not give a good comparison. Aside from the turbo how does the XT differ from the XS?
Hey Steve.
You need to go on a test drive.

Yes, the WRX is the better handler stock, but that's easily remedied. After my Rex was stolen, I traded it in for an FXT. I think I miss the bugeye's seats most of all. From my first test drive, I couldn't see going back to a 2.0. I wanted more power while maintaining my powertrain warranty.

I've also made good use of the larger cargo area and love the All Weather Package. Now I just have to get rid of the light truck tires.

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Old 05-13-2004, 11:35 AM   #20
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Hey Dennis; I'm really sorry to hear about your car, that sucks!!Bring the new turbo to the next meet, I'd love to see it.

I don't see how improving handling or turbo response is that different from a $$ standpoint.
For a WRX you can do an uppipe, downpipe and air filter and gain a lot.

Making a Forester handle like a WRX seems like a daunting task. Tires, higher center of gravity, wheelbase?, body roll, face it, it's an SUV. Although by today's standards I do NOT consider it an SUV, more like a car that is 15% truck.

I'm not saying I don't love that Forster, but it is not an Impreza.

I like the Baja turbo too!!, good for hauling the muddy mountain bike.

If I had it to do over again, I'd get an STi.

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Old 05-13-2004, 12:00 PM   #21
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Hey Dennis; I'm really sorry to hear about your car, that sucks!!Bring the new turbo to the next meet, I'd love to see it.

I don't see how improving handling or turbo response is that different from a $$ standpoint.
For a WRX you can do an uppipe, downpipe and air filter and gain a lot.

you won't gain the displacement, variable valve timing, drive by wire, sodium filled valves hollow crank shafts and a whole host of other things the 2.5L turbo has. Plus you can do those things to the XT too. I still say these things cost more than suspension. Bob is right most of my cost was the fact I got some OZ SuperLegs which are spendy

Making a Forester handle like a WRX seems like a daunting task. Tires, higher center of gravity, wheelbase?, body roll, face it, it's an SUV. Although by today's standards I do NOT consider it an SUV, more like a car that is 15% truck.

It's not an SUV it's a car in fact it has the same underpinnings as an Impreza wheelbase and everything. It built on the same frame. Center of gravity is remedied by lowing it with springs. On the plate in the door it's stamped "passenger car" Only Subaru Marketing wants you to think it's an SUV because they to sell more. It's just a wagon.

I'm not saying I don't love that Forster, but it is not an Impreza.

I like the Baja turbo too!!, good for hauling the muddy mountain bike.

If I had it to do over again, I'd get an STi.

My choice was between an STi and the F-XT. I almost got the STi but I needed more room. After driving an STi which was super nice I didn't think I could live with the ride day in and day out. I had something that was a little stiffer and it started to get old. For me right now the F-XT is just right

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Old 05-13-2004, 02:58 PM   #22
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Thank you Peaty.

In fact during the first few years of the Forester, Subaru never used the term SUV in their marketing. It's really just a boxy Impreza.

Steve - I was at Ruby Tuesday's last night. I'll show up at another meet when I get a chance.

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Old 05-13-2004, 03:12 PM   #23
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I was on a waitlist for the STi when I bought the FXT instead.

Before I bought it, I *did* drive the WRX wagon, and just didn't like it. To me, the boxy/edgy style of the FXT is hands-down better than the WRX's oddly swoopy/roundy form--but looks are subjective.

The room in the interior is better in the FXT, the boxiness translates to more useful space inside.

The 2.5T is certainly stronger than the WRX's 2.0T anywhere in the revs, and whether it's stoplight antics, merging, or passing, the FXT has it over the WRX.

Gas mileage isn't amazing with either, both are IIHS Best Picks for safety, and, since they're really two variations on the same platform, the similarities are greater than the differences.

The biggest difference is in the subjective feel of the suspension.
However, once you get used to the FXT, you realize it doesn't handle poorly, exactly, it's just not quite what you may expect.

The WRX never really impressed me with its handling either, not stock, as it understeered heavily, had some body roll, (FXT has slightly more pronounced initial roll in the FXT when you enter, but both hold a similar 'feel' when set into the corner) and overall, the WRX really is much more like the FXT than either are to the STi.

But, after driving the FXT, and the WRX, and rearranging my priorities slighty, I felt the FXT was the best purchase over the WRX Wagon, and oddly, over the STi.

But, this is all our opinion, the best thing, as others have said, is go drive both of them (and I mean drive, like a 20min test, not around the block, and drive as you would normally--dont beat it dont baby it more than normal) and after back-to-back comparision testing, pick the one you want to live with for the next X number of years.

Either one is a good choice, neither is a loser, just both can't be winners.
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Old 05-13-2004, 04:28 PM   #24
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Damn a Forester with the same wheels I have, nice. Supers look good on it.

Wasn't there a post by some company that was getting some insane amount of WHP out of a FXT?

Storage is good! especially for a musician/mountain biker, giants tailgater.

I am in too deep (power, brakes, suspension, ect..) with my WRX to even consider selling it, plus I have another 3 years to pay it off.
That FXT rocks though.
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Just about everything that fits the Impreza fits the Forester I'm using my brakes from my RS and the suspension would have worked too I know what you mean though. I was lucky enough to find somone that was wanted my RS so it was good timing for me. SOD/Cobb has a pretty high hp F-XT.
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