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Old 05-18-2004, 11:57 AM   #1
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Default Anyway to practice for AutoX Solo2?

Since you only get about 3 min behind the wheel in an event, does anyone know of a way to get practice? How about if I found a big ass parking lot and had some cones? I guess it depends on where a person lives, but I'd love to get better and I don't see how racing for 3 minutes every few weeks is going to help me..
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Old 05-18-2004, 12:03 PM   #2
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Default Re: Anyway to practice for AutoX Solo2?

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Since you only get about 3 min behind the wheel in an event, does anyone know of a way to get practice? How about if I found a big ass parking lot and had some cones? I guess it depends on where a person lives, but I'd love to get better and I don't see how racing for 3 minutes every few weeks is going to help me..
some clubs have practice events that get you way more seat time.

there is the evolution schools which get you a lot of seat time.
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Old 05-18-2004, 12:10 PM   #3
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I don't see how racing for 3 minutes every few weeks is going to help me..
Go saturday and sunday every weekend you can... (I know, not always possible due to location)
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Old 05-18-2004, 12:17 PM   #4
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until the police shut you down

Attend an Evolution school, it's like 4 events on one day with the best instructors you can get. Some clubs let you do fun runs after the event is over. Just keep looking for more events and clubs to run with. I'd practice everyday, but then my tire budget would go through the roof.
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Old 05-18-2004, 01:07 PM   #5
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How about if I found a big ass parking lot and had some cones?

make sure you film it..........................I just found that to be the funniest statement ever.

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Old 05-18-2004, 01:32 PM   #6
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Seat time is king in auto-x. Run as many times or events as you can. It takes years to be good at it. It's easy to knock seconds off your runs, but once you get to a point where you're fighting for that last 1/10th or 1/100th second... then come back and ask... how do you get better.

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Old 05-18-2004, 04:37 PM   #7
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make sure you film it..........................I just found that to be the funniest statement ever.

hehe, I guess that does sound pretty stupid eh? My in-laws have a bunch of warehouses that have huge parking lots, that's why I asked.

I agree with you guys that schools are the way to go. Do the Evolution schools have a site? Or should I just keep an eye on MyAutoEvents.com?
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Old 05-18-2004, 08:48 PM   #8
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There are safety regulations for autocross courses -- distances the course must be from solid, immovable objects and that kind of thing. I would hesistate from setting up cones in a huge parking lot because there is the possibility of like not setting up a course correctly, losing control, and hurting yourself (with no one around!). the evolution school website is at:

http://www.autocross.com/evolution/

Check your local SCCA chapter, there are typically annual novice days which are similar and way less expensive (but then again, less intensive than an evolution school)
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Old 05-19-2004, 12:33 AM   #9
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Old 05-19-2004, 02:17 PM   #10
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Brad ... sounds like you could/should host your own events ...

Here is a course designing handbook: http://home.houston.rr.com/rogerthereal/

keep the safety issues in mind ... and then let us know where and when to show up!

I got into AX, because I couldn't/wouldn't max out the car on the streets ... like I would have done when I was a dumb kid. (So I went to our local track, as a dumb kid, Hockenheim Ring ... and flipped my VW there instead! :-)

In the Los Angeles area it's often difficult to get into our practice events ... which are usually limited to 80 drivers. Recently we had to work (and only work) a Z Club AX in order to be allowed to par-take in a practice event the next day ... at least that was "free." But if you are willing to drive a couple of hours, you can run virtually every other weekend around here. Our local club had a two day school recently ... $100 including two lunches ... that got me a lot of seat time. Evo is coming to town in July.
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Old 05-19-2004, 02:55 PM   #11
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Yes a school or practce event is the best way to go, but if you have access to a large private lot why not set up some exercises. Just keep a good distance from curbs and poles.
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Old 05-19-2004, 03:38 PM   #12
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So how much does a cheap set of timing equipment cost

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Old 05-19-2004, 03:45 PM   #13
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What's wrong with a stop watch?

Reaction time...what reaction time?
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Old 05-19-2004, 04:39 PM   #14
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$895 if you already have a laptop/PC and/or generator.
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Old 05-19-2004, 07:34 PM   #15
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No really, it helps.
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Old 05-20-2004, 09:10 AM   #16
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What I did to better get the sides of the car was drive very close to the lines on the highway when I'm in either the far left or far right lane. This helps a ton.
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Seat time is key, but adding to that is the quality of seat time.

If possible always take an instructor with you and ride with one as much as possible.

One of the things I took away from my last Evo school is that after every run is go through element by element understanding what I did right and wrong and the hardest part why I did the element right or wrong.

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You should also pick a good driver at an event and be a fly on the wall as he walks the course. Figuring out the fastest line is going to be really helpful.
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Fastest line ... that is a problem ... there seems to be two theories in AX ... traditional late apex on slow corners, and driving the corners more directly (early apex), late hard brakes, rotate around the corner and be off. The idea behind this 2nd technique is to shorten the course ... AX's being so relatively slow ... that carrying speed is secondary.

The 2nd technique might be better for cars with good low end torque? Obviously a course might "require" a mix of techniques.

But since I know excellent drivers who are proponents of both techniques ... it confuses me during the course walk ... which technique to apply to which corners ...
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The folks that figure this dillema out usually wear black jackets with red embroidery on them!
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Fastest line ... that is a problem ... there seems to be two theories in AX ... traditional late apex on slow corners, and driving the corners more directly (early apex), late hard brakes, rotate around the corner and be off. The idea behind this 2nd technique is to shorten the course ... AX's being so relatively slow ... that carrying speed is secondary.

The 2nd technique might be better for cars with good low end torque? Obviously a course might "require" a mix of techniques.

But since I know excellent drivers who are proponents of both techniques ... it confuses me during the course walk ... which technique to apply to which corners ...
Finding an event every weekend helps a ton. On the street, you can't drive 10/10ths without flipping out those around you or those dang police cars..... especially when you wear your helmet to work! You can look ahead.....practice the basic mechanics of autocross, smooth inputs, momentum instead of brakes and efficient use of braking. Maybe not at 10/10ths but sometimes you can reach 8/10ths if conditions permit.



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Roger The Jackets!

"momentum instead of brakes and efficient use of braking"

That's been part of my problem ... too much momentum ... not enough brakes equal understeer, or the very occasional spin!

I have started to practice, on the street, braking harder, shorter in a straight line ... as I smoothly turn the steering wheel ... an imaginary string pulls my foot off the brake ...

Brad ... a number of people swear that computer racing games with steering wheel and gas/brake pedal accessories are THE way to learn and practice left foot braking ...

The problem is when you get new components ... I'm installing rear lateral links, STI trailing arm, new bushings, subframe bolt, transmission mount ... and you have to go right into an event ... in my case ... the relatively high speed Lone Pine Time Trails, 2 mile course with speeds easily into the 90's ... in a couple of weeks. I HAVE to find somewhere where I can try things out ... just for safety reasons! I don't even like using off ramps ... the local canyons can be a bit scary ... I'll just have to find a couple of select corners that are safe'ish.
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