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Old 07-22-2004, 08:15 PM   #51
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yeah, makes sense. I've heard little snippets here and there about the new models using inverted struts as well. anything definitive, information wise? Would be cool if we can get some part numbers and such or get some of the vendors to start looking for us. I think that would be an interesting route to go with some JDM takeoffs of these struts. They might be cheaper too as they are not STi.
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Old 07-22-2004, 08:40 PM   #52
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yeah, makes sense. I've heard little snippets here and there about the new models using inverted struts as well. anything definitive, information wise? Would be cool if we can get some part numbers and such or get some of the vendors to start looking for us. I think that would be an interesting route to go with some JDM takeoffs of these struts. They might be cheaper too as they are not STi.
No details, just that they have the inverted design. Funny they show a pic, if you look close it looks like the rear strut ahs the "old" style piston top


Here's a babblefish of the specs they do list:

http://babel.altavista.com/babelfish...t%2findex.html

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Old 07-22-2004, 11:07 PM   #53
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Mike, the rear is new style gauging from that pic. The strut I have pictured is just an OEM, non inverted. That rear doesn't have the little shoulder. We should be fine with an 04 hat on that strut. Whew! Now, where can we get them??!?!
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Old 07-22-2004, 11:24 PM   #54
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Mike, the rear is new style gauging from that pic. The strut I have pictured is just an OEM, non inverted. That rear doesn't have the little shoulder. We should be fine with an 04 hat on that strut. Whew! Now, where can we get them??!?!
Arnie- I'm getting confused now. I thought the v8 piston top portions had no shoulder (maybe a rounded one) w/ threads all the way to the bottom and the v7 had squared shoulders w/ threading above (but not as long as the v8's).

In that pic I posted it looks like squared shoulders and shorter threads????

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Old 07-23-2004, 01:25 AM   #55
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No the V8 do not have the little shoulder. The problem with your pic is the inverted strut has a larger piston than the stock one so it looks like it has a shoulder but that strut doesn't actually have one. The strut in the back of that pic is the the rear strut. Open up another window and compare my pic with yours again. You'll see that this new strut has the longer threaded section like the V8 strut and no little shoulder. Basically, what you see as a shoulder on that strut in your pic would be the stock piston diameter and then it extends to the inverted piston part. comprendé?

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Old 07-23-2004, 11:12 AM   #56
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OK got you- there are two "steps"- see it now! Also I have two very compentent folks looking into the rev E wagon struts- I'll let you know what they come up w/

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Old 07-23-2004, 12:36 PM   #57
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Sounds good Mike! Would be interesting to see if they are valved similarly to the V8 stuff or a bit more supple. Hope we can get decent take off access to these parts that would be nice. But even having a source for a new part is fine, as we don't have too many choices for the wagon. Good work Mike.
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Old 07-27-2004, 11:26 AM   #58
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I have been following this whole discussion with great interest for similar reasons to BigSky, which is I have a V7 setup on my wagon and want to put the new wagon pinks on my 04...I am greatly interested in the rev e struts...Anymore info on this?
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Old 07-27-2004, 01:11 PM   #59
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I've got several calls into several folks- they can be had. Just have to find a reasonable price. My guess is that the some of the Japanese folks in their rev e GGA's will be ditching these oem bits in favor of coilovers and the like.

It's also possible that US MY06 we'll see these same inverted struts on our GGA's and GDA's- I don't want to wait that long if possible.

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Old 07-27-2004, 01:21 PM   #60
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Its nice to be able to get Japan's tablescraps!
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Old 07-27-2004, 01:32 PM   #61
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Its nice to be able to get Japan's tablescraps!
Yeah if you ever want to see a treat- look at Japan's ebay- it's chock full off good stuff- ofcourse I can't read anything or know how to bid, etc- but man is there some good stuff to be had!

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Old 08-05-2004, 02:14 AM   #62
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So is it possible to run the pink springs, on 02-03 Ver7 RA struts, with non-STi tophats?

I have the pink springs and have been thinking about getting camber plates. I am not sure I need them in the rear, but if I do, I am wondering if they will match up.

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Old 08-05-2004, 07:36 AM   #63
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you can run that set up with plates in the front and '04 hats in the rear
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Thanks for the info guys!
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Great thread Arnie!!! I've been debating whether it's feasible to use those 02-03 Koni inserts for my 04, and I think this thread gave me a lot of great information of the possible problems, and solutions to use these inserts and keep 04 strut top mounts to stay D-stock legal.

Do you have any updates to using washers on the strut top as a solution to the clunking?

Oh, one more thing. The spring perches for 02-03 struts are identical to the 04 struts?
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I bought some cheap washers at Lowes for the rears. They stopped the clunking, but the tophat still doesn't sit steadily on the strut like it does on the OEM strut. Also, the washers actually bent a little bit and were stuck to the metal of the top hat when I took them off, but I think if you just get hardened washers its fine. And that was a few months ago when I did that and I haven't had any problems since.

The '04 spring perches are slightly different, I think they have an additional lip for the spring in the rear, but 02/03 springs can still seat in an '04 perch with no problem.
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Old 11-19-2004, 02:42 AM   #67
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Or you could just wait for the 04 Koni inserts. but who knows when those are coming out. Would you get bumped out of D Stock for using different tophats?
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Or you could just wait for the 04 Koni inserts. but who knows when those are coming out. Would you get bumped out of D Stock for using different tophats?
Yah, for me to stay d-stock legal I need to use 04 strut tops, and springs, but I think I can use any strut body as long as the spring perch is in the same position as the OEM 04 strut body.

Hummmmm, I dunno if Koni is planning to make inserts for the 04's. Does anyone have infomation on this?
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I bought some cheap washers at Lowes for the rears. They stopped the clunking, but the tophat still doesn't sit steadily on the strut like it does on the OEM strut. Also, the washers actually bent a little bit and were stuck to the metal of the top hat when I took them off, but I think if you just get hardened washers its fine. And that was a few months ago when I did that and I haven't had any problems since.

The '04 spring perches are slightly different, I think they have an additional lip for the spring in the rear, but 02/03 springs can still seat in an '04 perch with no problem.
Clearly some fitment "issues". I wish they could have left the struts alone redesigning the rear tops- this does complicate matters.

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Sorry to resurect this thread but I need help.

Yesterday I installed 04 STi springs on my 02 WRX with Koni's. I bought the 04 top hats and washers but I still get the clunking.

It's like I can't get the top nut tight enough at all. I put the washers on top of the top hat under the nut.

I'm thinking of drilling out the top hat, any advice on the size of the hole?
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try putting the washer underneath the top hats, on the top of the Konis.
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thanks, I will try that

I tried to take it apart to go back to sotck and the top hat seemed stuck on the koni. It would not come off. I don't want to damage the koni but maybe after driving around it will wear itself loose.

Waht size washer should I use? the washers I havefit the OD of the strut top perfectly. Should it be a size samller?
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well, the cheap method is to get a strap wrench and pull up the dust cover and put the strap around the Koni shaft and then put a long breaker bar between two of the top bolts and twist to pop the top hat loose. The other option is to get an impact wrench (electric is fine) and take off the top bolt holding the top hat on without a spring compressor. The spring should pop off the top hat.

The problem is that the smaller diameter portion on the top of the strut shaft is just slightly bigger than the hole it is supposed to go in in the top hat. You'll want the washer to fit the OD of the smaller section of the strut shaft just below the threads before it gets bigger if memory serves correctly.
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well the drama continues,

I swaped in some stockers so I can drive to work. I was just at our machine shop working on the struts. What has happend is that the ID of the strut top got stuck on the middle step of the strut. We popped the tops off and found that I needed to bore out a washer to fit around the OD of the middle step. then place three washer on top of that washer.

It seems that the strut top is sitting down far enough onto the body of the strut, the bored out washer allows the top of the middle step to stick up enough to allow the strut top to bottom out and the three washers give the nut enough leverage to Tq down.

I pray this works
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I may be wrong, but look closely at the v7 vs v8 strut at the top



It appears the v7 one could readily be machined to match the v8 one (I don't think you could do this in reverse though) by making the threaded portion longer and then rounding out the shoulder.

That's what I will be attempting w/ my STi v7 wagon rear struts this spring.

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