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Old 07-10-2000, 09:30 PM   #1
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Have a Nice Day? Subaru adjustable cam gears??!!


On page 143 of the August 2000 SCC there is an ad that lists Hayame adj cam gears an Subaru is listed for one of the available cars.

Has any one fiddled with these yet.
Just think it might be a better awnser to the Apex-i ITC

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Old 07-10-2000, 09:34 PM   #2
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Hello,

Umm, cam timing (when fuel and air and exhaust can go into or out of the cylinder) is not the same thing as ignition timing (when the sparkplug fires). So adjusting the cams has nothing to do with the ITC.

I'd like to play with the cams, so if anyone has more info on the cam gears, please pipe up. Rallispec was working on some, once upon a time, I think. But that's it, far as I know.

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Old 07-10-2000, 09:47 PM   #3
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Well Joel I think you should get a hold of Byron since he had a set on display (which you can see in the ISR photos RalleyX took) for the SOHC not too sure where he got them etc but I am sure he will be more than happy to help you .
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Old 07-10-2000, 09:49 PM   #4
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Rich, you trip me up. Yeah... that's who I'll ask. My best friend, eh?

But anyway, I want DOHC adjust. cam gears. They look like they'd be easy to make...

Joel - with no such mfr skills.
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Old 07-11-2000, 06:24 AM   #5
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ohh come-on Joel.. What can't you just make up with Byron and get us the info about the cam gears. You guys have alot of history.. hehehe..

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Old 07-11-2000, 06:49 AM   #6
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Actually me and Byron talked about you and he spoke rather highly of you and said you aren't such a bad guy after all Joel .
He may have them for the DOHC as well and I know it may be "humbling" to you to go to the guy that you lambasted a few months ago for stuff but hey nobody's perfect. If not I will contact him as I have his info and will find out about the cam gears just so Joel can save face.
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Old 07-11-2000, 06:55 AM   #7
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Last I heard from Rallispec was that the DOHC set was done but delayed due to the fact that you need custon shims made. I have no clue what's involved with getting custom shims but apparently it's a PITA. If you have a source for them give Rallispec a call, maybe you could be the guinea pig.

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Old 07-11-2000, 10:25 AM   #8
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Hello,

Rich, it's not just to save face - it's also my lack of confidence in his "product" until I actually see something more exciting than a somewhat quick car that smelled like it had no cats

As for shims, I'd assume the shims were for the cams or valvetrain. I can't see how you could use shims for the cam-gears. Rallispec, if you see this, can you clarify what you're needing?

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Old 07-11-2000, 10:25 AM   #9
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The shims Rallispec says they need is for the cam itself not the cam gear
(or am I having another attack of CRS {can't remember $hit})


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Old 07-11-2000, 11:54 AM   #10
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I appologize. I had no idea Rallispec was looking at adj. cam gears. I assumed you meant their camshafts for the DOHC engine they are working on, and that is what needs shims.

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Old 07-11-2000, 05:59 PM   #11
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You can see them better in this picture from TMR. Joel even if you don't trust his "product" you know you still can't deny that your interested (Just like JC's).
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Old 07-11-2000, 06:50 PM   #12
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Hello,

Hahaha... Rich, you kill me. Okay, so was the picture supposed to be impresive?

I see a few things. Flywheel - stock looking flywheel that is, if it's not hollowed out on the rear (not good for ring-gear strength) near stock weight?

I see a stock-looking pressure plate with what looks like a single-leaf spring. That could mean ACT? I can't tell. Looks familiar, though.

A clutch disk that is either Paul E.s (http://www.writerguy.com/primitive/images/clutch_2.jpg) or an STi or AP racing clutch disk.

As for the rest, I can't tell much. The big-end of the rods looks to be bolt-into-rod, which is lighter but not as strong as through-bolts with nuts on the end. I dunno - is that B-Spec compenentry? What RPM does he go up to? I hope not above 8k or so...

The cam-gears - are those little allen bolts I see? If so, no good for decent torque since the heads look very small. I'd be afraid of losing a degree here or there. That used to be a big problem in the Honda aftermarket before MFRs started getting smart with their bolts. Cheap cam-gears still slip in the Honda world...

Okay, I can't make a negative comment on the cams since I can't tell anything

Did I behave as expected? I see not much to be wowed with. Certainly nothing to change my opinion yet. I need a dyno and I need spec sheets before I feel any more confident

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Old 07-11-2000, 07:43 PM   #13
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Joel did I state "Be mystified and dazzled by the mystical and magical display meant to stymie and stupifiy the amazing Joel "the Tech Jester" Gat!!!" no you wanted to know if someone makes adjustable cam gears and I pointed someone out to you if you don't like it or don't want it oh well who cares. Joel honestly you know what you want to why don't you make everything your self like you are your engine. I mean sure you bring up valid points but you tend to be very liberal (so Joel who do you want for President???). Also the picture isn't a close up of the cam gears but it is better than the one RalleyX had but not good enough to show detail which you may be assuming. So Joel please make your point but don't be an @$$ since the point of the topic was who may have/make them and if so the usual other ?'s. So no matter if Byron makes them or HKS/AEM or Shiv or Joe Schmoe Racing at least we know they are out there.
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Old 07-11-2000, 08:29 PM   #14
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EEEK!

Paraphrasing:

Rich said "so Joel can save face"

Joel said "not to save face, no confidnce in product"

Rich said "you can't deny your interest"

Joel said "I see uninteresting product."

Okay, I went into why what I saw was not interesting.

I think you like jumping on my back as much as I lack good non-attacking looking writing skills (peering at my speech bubble in confusion)

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Old 07-11-2000, 10:59 PM   #15
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Since the quote feature might throw you here is what I can pull from our conversation as well:
Joel said (in a sarcastic way I'm sure): Yeah... that's who I'll ask. My best friend, eh? But anyway, I want DOHC adjust. cam gears. They look like they'd be easy to make...
Joel - with no such mfr skills

I said in the same sarcastic sense: He may have them for the DOHC as well and I know it may be "humbling" to you to go to the guy that you lambasted a few months ago for stuff but hey nobody's perfect. If not I will contact him as I have his info and will find out about the cam gears just so Joel can save face.
(I will elaborate I said that as you seem to always have something against Byron/his car/ his "products"[I'm not even sure he makes them] I mean he doesn't come on here and attack you but yes he also doesn't come on here to talk tech either as everyone laughed at him on the STi list when he went through his "tuning" but when others do theirs and don't post about all the "hiccup's" they have compared to others they are okay as they are doing it for the "good of the cause" even though they have proven that they aren't the most knowledgeable of our cars compared to others they have worked with. Heck Joel if you stopped blasting the guy he might help you in making your adjustable cam gears.)

I even said: Actually me and Byron talked about you and he spoke rather highly of you and said you aren't such a bad guy after all Joel .
Yeah it's true even about your brother who you sent to challenge him in a race


Joel said: Okay, so was the picture supposed to be impresive?

I said: No did I say it was supposed to be?

Joel said: What RPM does he go up to? I hope not above 8k or so...

Has anybody taken their 2.5 to 8K rpm? I thought we were talking about the adjustable cam gears?

Joel said: The cam-gears - are those little allen bolts I see? If so, no good for decent torque since the heads look very small. I'd be afraid of losing a degree here or there. That used to be a big problem in the Honda aftermarket before MFRs started getting smart with their bolts. Cheap cam-gears still slip in the Honda world...

True about that Joel on alot of things but I really didn't pay too much attention to them and didn't bring my calipers and testing tools to give you the hard facts and info on them other than they are adjustable cam gears which is the point of this topic.

Which is why I said: So Joel please make your point but don't be an @$$ since the point of the topic was who may have/make them and if so the usual other ?'s. So no matter if Byron makes them or HKS/AEM or Shiv or Joe Schmoe Racing at least we know they are out there.

Joel I truly think that you have good knowledge but you tend to be that guy that want's to be the person to say "I told you so" and prove yourself right and make yourself better than someone else. So Joel just like the last few times we have had these types of posts back and forth think about the whole picture not the small piece that only concerns you. Please don't take offense in what I say but you tend to always come of as that and tend not to care about other people and their views. Now let us carry on with our regular conversation about if they are available and where we can get them and then go from there once we have the sources and other info.
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Old 07-12-2000, 09:37 AM   #16
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Whatever.

BTW, 8k rpms was re Byron's car because remember, he's making a million horsepower.

And the drag race challenge, if you recall, was issued by Byron waaaaay back when on the Mlist. At Buttonwillow, I introduced Byron to my brother. Byron immediately said "how fast is your car at the track". Danny said "I dunno, since I don't have a rollbar and it's a convertible, I had to wait a few seconds at the start - 13.0 after burning first gear and starting in second." Byron said "oh, that's not even fair... I run ... " (insert whatever crazy numbers you want, but basically he said a 'rustang with 400 ft-lbs from 2k to 6k would have no chance).

My brother laughed and said "and where do you race." Byron responded "Palmdale." Palmdale is one of the most visited strips in the LA area, but no one, not even the people who work at the track, have seen these "runs." So Byron said "I'll rent the track out and we can race."

Whatever
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Old 07-13-2000, 12:52 AM   #17
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Byron told me a little snippet of that meeting which is alittle different than what you say. Anyways back to the adjustable cam gears since this is the TECH forum .
Rich (taking the Tech Nazi stance on this topic)

Oh yeah and Joel I left you a message in the BAIC forum.
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