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Old 05-23-2004, 04:16 AM   #1
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Question springs question~

ok~ so finally my springs arrived~ and a frd of mine said he can install it for me~ So my question is, is it safe to let a frd do it? or should I just spend the money and get it done by a shop? Also, I had done a search and found that people mentioned things like "camber kit" and "camber bolts". So what's that? Do I need that for lowering the car? Cause I thought all I need to do is have an alignment done after the installation, then everything is done, isn't it?

someone please help me~

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oh~ and it's the tein s-tech springs~
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Old 05-23-2004, 04:18 AM   #2
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Go to Advance Auto in richmond for installation. They do pretty good job with laser alignment. I just had my car done there. Ask for John and tell him if you are running track or normal street use, he will adjust the camber settings for you.
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Old 05-23-2004, 04:24 AM   #3
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so how much for installation + alignment?
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Old 05-23-2004, 06:08 AM   #4
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Old 05-23-2004, 06:50 AM   #5
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If you friend has the proper tools, you can let him do it, does he got any power tools? proper torque wrench? basic knowledge of subaru? past experience with spring installation?
It's usually around $150-$200 for labor + alignment
Alignment alone cost around $80.

Go to Advance and ask for the price, AAU mentioned my name to Johnny and saved him $20 only

I've heard that Garage 5 will do spring installation for like $50. But I had never had them install my parts.
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Old 05-23-2004, 08:20 AM   #6
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garage 5 will d osprings for 120 for an impreza...im less drunk now
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Old 05-23-2004, 02:48 PM   #7
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If you friend has the proper tools, you can let him do it, does he got any power tools? proper torque wrench? basic knowledge of subaru? past experience with spring installation?
It's usually around $150-$200 for labor + alignment
Alignment alone cost around $80.

Go to Advance and ask for the price, AAU mentioned my name to Johnny and saved him $20 only

I've heard that Garage 5 will do spring installation for like $50. But I had never had them install my parts.
my friend said his uncle's garage has all the proper tools~ I dunno if he had experience with spring installation, he just told me that he knows how to do it. But he drove a GTI~ Should I let him do it? Of course I would like to save that $100~

sounds like Advance is cheaper than garage 5~ so does $150-$200 include tax? And where is Advance? any email address or contact number?
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Old 05-23-2004, 03:03 PM   #8
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Just get it done by a shop if u'r worried. If something goes wrong, u can at least go back to them if something happens.
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Old 05-23-2004, 05:32 PM   #9
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Go to garagefive.net $100 no tax. They do decent work.

I did springs and then coilovers on my car and its still in place
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Old 05-23-2004, 10:36 PM   #10
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Go to garagefive.net $100 no tax. They do decent work.

I did springs and then coilovers on my car and its still in place
hey, does that include alignment? if so, i would bring my new set of coilover to garage 5 later....
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my friend said his uncle's garage has all the proper tools~ I dunno if he had experience with spring installation, he just told me that he knows how to do it. But he drove a GTI~ Should I let him do it? Of course I would like to save that $100~

sounds like Advance is cheaper than garage 5~ so does $150-$200 include tax? And where is Advance? any email address or contact number?
yeah, if your friend can do it for free, and if you have faith in his work, u have nothing to lose. Let him do it. Then, just pay to get a proper alignment done ! Which garage is that? mind naming it here?
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Old 05-24-2004, 12:50 AM   #12
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yeah, if your friend can do it for free, and if you have faith in his work, u have nothing to lose. Let him do it. Then, just pay to get a proper alignment done ! Which garage is that? mind naming it here?
I asked him today and he said he had done the work for his car. But he said I'll have to "risk" if I let him do it~~ sounds unreliable~ I think he meant his uncle's house garage maybe~ I am not sure~

should I install the springs now, or should I wait till I had enough money to buy a set of shocks then install them all together? Cause my frd just told me that the springs will hurt the stock shocks~ any comments?
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Old 05-24-2004, 02:45 AM   #13
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Every shop is a risk. I know a shop that can't even install a lip even though they have a licensed mechanic. Chipped my front bumper paint.

I'd install the springs now. If your planning to buy shocks at the same time, you should have just bought full coilovers instead. The springs will reduce the lifespan on your stock shocks by about 1/2 depending on how you abuse your car. I know somebody who has been running on stock shocks on a slammed car for over 4 years withuot any problems.
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Old 05-24-2004, 02:50 AM   #14
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hey, does that include alignment? if so, i would bring my new set of coilover to garage 5 later....
Not including alignment. Just ask for Dave and he'll say $120. Go there and work your magic and say $100 cash.
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Not including alignment. Just ask for Dave and he'll say $120. Go there and work your magic and say $100 cash.
If not including alignment, then it's not cheap man. But i don't wanna risk my nice finger nails to break loose the camber bolts and nuts.

Gel Gel >> It all depends ! If you have the cash to buy the shocks now, you should or should not buy the aftermarket shocks.

i) if u're not gonna keep your car for more than 2-3 years, then you can just install the springs, cause u don't have to worry about returning your car back to stock prestine condition. So, you can just put the springs on, and have fun with the lower stance.

ii) if u are a corner craver or offramp speeder, you should buy the aftermarket shocks. Also, it's good to save a set of "still-good" stock shocks for insurance (just in case you needa return it back to stock condition). Also, you can sell off the whole set of shocks and springs after X years for some salvage value.

I don't know, it really depends on how you think about your car. it's just my suggestion ! Don't count on me.
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If not including alignment, then it's not cheap man. But i don't wanna risk my nice finger nails to break loose the camber bolts and nuts.
$100 is basically the cheapest you can get for a spring installation. Whether you want to do it yourself, or if you have air tools, is up to you
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$100 is basically the cheapest you can get for a spring installation. Whether you want to do it yourself, or if you have air tools, is up to you
yeah i know, thanks man ! it's a 3 hours 1 man job.
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Thanks guys!! I think I know what to do now~

I'll just have them install and align by a shop~ then after 1 or 2 years, when I have the money (hopefully), I'll buy new aftermarket shocks~

btw, which aftermarket shocks fit the tein s-tech springs?
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Chekc out KYB AGX or Koni.
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Chekc out KYB AGX or Koni.
Just read a few posts saying tein springs + kyb shocks is not a good combo~ But it's from a MY01 ~ Is it the same as MY03?
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Old 05-25-2004, 03:39 AM   #21
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koni shocks arent bad. have them on my m3. so far so good.

it should be ok if yer friend does the install. its a pretty basic install esp if hes installed springs b4.

doing springs and shocks together makes things easier since its half the work of odoing one at a time (esp if u r paying for the labor). u also save $ by doin just one alignment.

u should get your alignment and installation done at bavaria as well. they do good work. u can mention my name to eric. maybe he will give u a deal
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Old 05-25-2004, 12:47 PM   #22
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Well looks like you got lots of info. Heres some stuff on camber kits/bolts.

When you lower the cars suspension, the tops of the tires will begin to point inwards towards the car, this is called negative camber. Now most stock cars do not have adjustable camber so camber adjustable top plates (more on these below) or camber bolts can be used to correct this excessive camber.

adjustable top mounts: I suggest not using these, as when you move the location of the top of the strut you are dramatically changing the geometry of the shock and spring. Instead of moving the wheel and tire to the proper location, it moves the entire suspension on an odd angle. The plus for these is that if you are an avid auto crosser and you want to be able to adjust the camber on the fly, then its easy to do so.

Campber adjsutment bolts: one of the better solutions, this replaces the bolts ont eh bottom of your strut and allows you to adjust the camber from there (adjustable angle on the bottom of the strut, this way keeping the geometry of the strut and spring closer to stock.)

Camber adjustment kits: This is the besst solution, although the most expensive. These are adjustable toe and camber arms on the suspension, this allows the most adjustablility, resonably easy to change the settings, and usually a lot stronger then stock componants. This kit with the camber bolts will probubly give you the best adjustment capabilities.

My suggestion: If you just want to keep the camber close to stock to avoid bad tire wear, go with some camber adjustment bolts, cheap affective and when installed shouldn't come out of alignment.

I hope this helps you out. PM me if you have any questions.

Regards,
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P.S. Whenever you modify your suspension you shoul dtake it to a shop to get a 4 wheel alignment, the camber adjustment componants may be required before you get this done as they may not be able to adjust it enough without them.
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