Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday October 23, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > Motorsports

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-23-2004, 11:44 PM   #1
AUTOwrXER
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5817
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2005 STi
Silver

Talking I'm going to listen to lots of Mustang/Camaro drivers cry...

as I'm planning to campaign a 2005 STi in ESP this year. Or more correctly, I'll be campaigning it until they boot it into BSP. I'm going to invest in a set of Hoosier radial wets so I can mop up their tears

Oh, the list of mods is growing every minute. I'm so glad I can use the UTEC now without it being an issue. Now I get to tune with C16 and water injection as well

I'm going to miss the STX crew. You guys are a great crowd. I hope we run on the same day at nationals this year. If I drive as well as I hope, you may find me in the protest shed. I'm sure the big iron won't give up easily, but everything on the car will be to the letter of the law.

Joel Fehrman
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
AUTOwrXER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 12:44 AM   #2
MNbiker
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 18148
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Vehicle:
'08 WRX
Dark Gray

Default Re: I'm going to listen to lots of Mustang/Camaro drivers cry...

Quote:
Originally posted by AUTOwrXER
I'm so glad I can use the UTEC now without it being an issue.
Joel,

What changed with the UTEC to make it SP-legal?

-Steve
MNbiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 12:56 AM   #3
DrBiggly
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 11482
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Vehicle:
02 WRX
Acute Stickeritis

Default

Definitely curious to know how the UTEC is legal in ESP?.
DrBiggly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 07:43 AM   #4
trojan9x
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3169
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Effort, PA
Vehicle:
2001 2.5 RS: Holbert
Memorial Winner 2003

Default

bump for curiosity
trojan9x is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 08:09 AM   #5
TheWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 10279
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: St. Louis, MO
Vehicle:
2005 Lotus Elise
Yellow, #94 SS

Default

STX and ESP are running the same days at Nationals (Tuesday/Wednesday). It should be interesting to watch. There are at least one or two other fast STX drivers from last year who jumped ship to ESP. Good luck, we'll be rooting for you!
TheWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 08:20 AM   #6
Orion
Got the F out
Moderator
 
Member#: 4797
Join Date: Mar 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: central ohio
Vehicle:
01 01 RS, 00 RS
2008 WRB FSXT 5mt

Default

adios!

i noticed you're headed to the Peru Tour but not Toledo. are you gonna run the STi there? if so, need a codriver???
Orion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 08:22 AM   #7
KC
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 442
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: SE Mass/RI
Vehicle:
2013 Crosstrek XV
00 Honda S2000

Default

Wow, have fun Joel! You have the new '05 too... with the new front limited slip and other 'improvements'. A great example of why not to buy a 1st year car.

I think the '05 is going to be mighty quick.

Yeah, nationals is going to be fun. I'm starting my rain dance now.

And I'm also curious how the UTEC is now legal.

--kC
KC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 09:31 AM   #8
del105
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 43010
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Atlanta, GA
Vehicle:
1974 2002tii
silver

Default

After looking at the rules, I guess Joel "could" use utec in ESP. ST class is very specific about about engine management while SP just says:

"Alternate computer control modules may be used whenever an equivalent change to the conventional system is allowed. For example, alternate computer module control of ignition settings or fuel injection is allowed. Direct turbocharger boost control by alternate computer control is not, since there is no equivalent mechanical allowance."

So I guess if you ran the boost wire from the boost solenoid to the stock ecu and back then the Utec would be legal in SP.

Andrew
del105 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 10:00 PM   #9
AUTOwrXER
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5817
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2005 STi
Silver

Default

That's exactly right, Andrew. I'll be using the UTEC the same way I was in STX before we learned that it took direct control of timing (and now timing as well). Engine management is open so long as I don't touch boost controls. The wastegate wire bypassing the UTEC directly to the ECU meets that requirement.
AUTOwrXER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 10:03 PM   #10
AUTOwrXER
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5817
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2005 STi
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Orion
adios!

i noticed you're headed to the Peru Tour but not Toledo. are you gonna run the STi there? if so, need a codriver???
I'm not sure about my plans just yet. The ESP development will start when I'm convinced it can win in BSP. Otherwise I need to stick to AS or STU. Right now I think the car can be on pace in BSP once prepped to the limit, by a) I'm not exactly sure that staement is true and b) I'm not sure I want to spend the $20k to go all the way to the limit...

My co-driver is pretty pumped, so I expect him to make the trip to Peru. Thanks for the offer though
AUTOwrXER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 10:06 PM   #11
AUTOwrXER
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5817
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2005 STi
Silver

Default

Any guesses what I can get the weight down to in SP? I think I can make upwards of 320HP at the wheels in SP trim, but the weight will be important if BSP is in the future (which I fully expect, btw).
AUTOwrXER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 10:40 PM   #12
afpdl
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 26361
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Sugar Land (Houston), Tx
Vehicle:
My shenanigans are
cheeky and fun

Default

I would guess 2900-3000. Dont think you can get much lower unless there are some weight dropping mods I cant think of.
afpdl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 10:53 PM   #13
AUTOwrXER
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5817
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2005 STi
Silver

Default

I should have the car on the scales Wednesday night for baseline corner weights. I guess I'll know better after that. I'm not sure 2900 is attainable.

FWIW, the car should weigh less in ESP than if it gets moved to BSP because of update/backdate with the WRX. For example, you could backdate to the WRX wing or lack thereof in ESP, but you would be required to run the wing in BSP.

If the car is moved to BSP, I hope someone does a good WRX in ESP and beats the complainers still
AUTOwrXER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:03 PM   #14
jmott
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6713
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Houston TX USA
Vehicle:
2007 Prius
brown

Default

I will codrive for you at nationals and get the win

=)
jmott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:05 PM   #15
afpdl
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 26361
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Sugar Land (Houston), Tx
Vehicle:
My shenanigans are
cheeky and fun

Default

You cant update back date with a wrx in ESP right now they are on different lines to prevent you from doing it.

I can tell you my car with a lightweight battery, 1/4 tanks of gas, sparco roadster seat with slider and mount, hks downpipe, no catback, jic coilovers, sdrs with 245 victos on it weighed just over 3100.

You can still pull the a/c, lightweight passenger seat, lighter wheels, steering wheel, get rid of the seat belts, heatsheilds, and a few other things.

And the 05s are supposably a few lbs lighter due to some body panels, and a few other peices.
afpdl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:08 PM   #16
del105
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 43010
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Atlanta, GA
Vehicle:
1974 2002tii
silver

Default

Quote:
FWIW, the car should weigh less in ESP than if it gets moved to BSP because of update/backdate with the WRX. For example, you could backdate to the WRX wing or lack thereof in ESP, but you would be required to run the wing in BSP.
Joel, you can replace spoiler even in BSP the rule is long so I'm not going to type it out but I'm pretty positive you're allowed.


Unless the Wing is considered factory trim? but I think the 05 STI is offered with wing delete option so if thats the case it wouldn't matter.
del105 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:11 PM   #17
jmott
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6713
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Houston TX USA
Vehicle:
2007 Prius
brown

Default

lightweight flywheel and clutch
drop more of your exauhst
lightweight rotors
find a jockey to drive for u


Quote:
Originally posted by afpdl
You cant update back date with a wrx in ESP right now they are on different lines to prevent you from doing it.

I can tell you my car with a lightweight battery, 1/4 tanks of gas, sparco roadster seat with slider and mount, hks downpipe, no catback, jic coilovers, sdrs with 245 victos on it weighed just over 3100.

You can still pull the a/c, lightweight passenger seat, lighter wheels, steering wheel, get rid of the seat belts, heatsheilds, and a few other things.

And the 05s are supposably a few lbs lighter due to some body panels, and a few other peices.
jmott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:16 PM   #18
afpdl
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 26361
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Sugar Land (Houston), Tx
Vehicle:
My shenanigans are
cheeky and fun

Default

There is no more exhaust to drop Crank pulley is another couple of lbs, headers would save some weight too. If you can add wings in sp I would imagine you could remove wings but I dont have a rule book to look through.

Oh I also had a radio/amp in the car so thats another few lbs.
afpdl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:21 PM   #19
jmott
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6713
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Houston TX USA
Vehicle:
2007 Prius
brown

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by afpdl
There is no more exhaust to drop Crank pulley is another couple of lbs, headers would save some weight too. If you can add wings in sp I would imagine you could remove wings but I dont have a rule book to look through.

Oh I also had a radio/amp in the car so thats another few lbs.
when I drove it the muffler was still hanging from the car =)
jmott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:22 PM   #20
afpdl
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 26361
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Sugar Land (Houston), Tx
Vehicle:
My shenanigans are
cheeky and fun

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by jmott
when I drove it the muffler was still hanging from the car =)
No when you drove the muffler was fully attached. When I weighed it at the national tour the muffler was off the car.
afpdl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:23 PM   #21
AUTOwrXER
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5817
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2005 STi
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by afpdl
You cant update back date with a wrx in ESP right now they are on different lines to prevent you from doing it.

I can tell you my car with a lightweight battery, 1/4 tanks of gas, sparco roadster seat with slider and mount, hks downpipe, no catback, jic coilovers, sdrs with 245 victos on it weighed just over 3100.

You can still pull the a/c, lightweight passenger seat, lighter wheels, steering wheel, get rid of the seat belts, heatsheilds, and a few other things.

And the 05s are supposably a few lbs lighter due to some body panels, and a few other peices.
3100 with you out of the car, correct?
AUTOwrXER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:26 PM   #22
afpdl
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 26361
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Sugar Land (Houston), Tx
Vehicle:
My shenanigans are
cheeky and fun

Default

Yes out of the car. The car would have to be under 2900 to weigh in at 3100 with me in the car
afpdl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:28 PM   #23
AUTOwrXER
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5817
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2005 STi
Silver

Default

I know. I know.

Damn. I heard this dirty rumor about the car being significantly lighter than listed. It's not true, but a big part of me wanted to believe it. Kind of like how I want to believe the STi will stay in ESP
AUTOwrXER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:30 PM   #24
AUTOwrXER
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5817
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:
2005 STi
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by del105
Joel, you can replace spoiler even in BSP the rule is long so I'm not going to type it out but I'm pretty positive you're allowed.


Unless the Wing is considered factory trim? but I think the 05 STI is offered with wing delete option so if thats the case it wouldn't matter.
I didn't see anything when I read the rulebook a few days ago, but I was dozing off. Is the car really available without the wing? I would have done that in a heartbeat...
AUTOwrXER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2004, 11:40 PM   #25
Midnight_Gold
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 37599
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Leader of Anti-Keyboard
Vehicle:
Comm ando Brigade..
Bring it isshes!

Default




This is gonna be fun!


- Miranda
Midnight_Gold is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
This is going to get a lot of you bent out of shape. RE: Brake upgrades Davenow Newbies & FAQs 626 10-14-2014 03:00 PM
I'm interested in listening to NIN. What would be a good album to start with? El Camino Off-Topic 90 03-06-2009 10:13 PM
this is going to break a lot of hearts brentyloke General Community 5 10-25-2008 12:36 AM
So... I'm sitting here listening to one of the greatest things wyn525i Off-Topic 10 05-27-2005 11:08 PM
lots of nice WRX drivers on the way to work this morning! RidinLow Tri-State Area Forum 1 06-25-2002 12:35 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.