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Old 05-15-2000, 07:12 AM   #1
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I have been talking to Mike Shields at SPD and he recommended the following setup for my 2000 2.5 RS:

Prodrive WR Sport suspension
SPD 18mm rear bar
Raceline RL7 silver 17x7
Toyo Proxes T1s 215/40-17

First of all I would like to hear from anyone who is running a similar setup. Second, I would like to get any feedback about business dealings with SPD. This is going to cost a few bucks and I want to know if I can trust these guys and if they are stable.

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Old 05-15-2000, 07:16 AM   #2
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They are stable and you can trust Mike.

I don't know of anyone in the US running the WR Sport suspension.

I would buy the whiteline adjustable rear bar instead of the 18mm bar. Get it from Rallispec.

I personally wouldn't buy the T1-S but more folks have been happy with them than not. I would run the Yokohama AVS Sport.
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Old 05-15-2000, 07:47 AM   #3
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63 alphine

In my opinion there are better choices available

1.) Whiteline adjustable from rallispec or 20mm bar
2.) What the heck is WR prodrive suspension? go get teins (they will be the ultimately best ones for race)
3.) side note: toyo proxes t1's are NOT good auto-cross tires
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Old 05-15-2000, 07:56 AM   #4
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The WRSport ProDrive/Eibach was developed for those folks that wanted a slightly stiffer spring strut combo. The orginal ProDrive is very close to an OEM ride with superior handling. The WRSport sacrifices some ride quality for high speed handling.
The WRSport is optimized for a 18mm rear bar.
Unlike the regular ProDrive which is optimized for a 20mm bar.

And there is atleast one car equipted in the US with the WRSport
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Old 05-15-2000, 08:18 AM   #5
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Correct, this Prodrive setup is for a fast street configuration not for the track or autocross. I drive almost 25k miles per year and I would like to have some kidneys left at the end of the year. I may spend a few days at the track this year but I am willing to give up some track handling for ride comfort.

Joe, it sounds like you are running this setup. How do you like it? Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks,
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Old 05-15-2000, 08:33 AM   #6
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I'd hedge my bets and pay the insignificant premium for the adjustable rear bar, thanks.

Any real-world impressions on the WR Sport? Just curious, I'm plenty happy with my mundane AGX + stock springs.
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Old 05-15-2000, 08:48 AM   #7
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personally I would not get the WR sus. and get some engine mods instead.
just my $0.02
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Old 05-15-2000, 08:57 AM   #8
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The Prodrive suspension is great for the street and it will not beat you up at all. I am very happy with it. If you do a search you sill see lots of discussion relating to the various options. I also understand that the price of the Prodrive suspension has dropped substantially, which only makes it that much more desireable
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Old 05-15-2000, 09:01 AM   #9
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I will look into the adjustable bar. I am not sure what it will give me though as Prodrive, who seem to be well respected, designed the package to work with the 18mm. My feeble knowledge can only muck things up.

I am looking at suspension upgrades before engine modes for a couple of reasons. First the car is already soft in the corners given my current power level. More power will only make that worse. I want to ready the suspension to be able to handle more power before I move forward to stage 2 which is a Rimmer supercharger/intercooler. As soon as Rimmer gets them moving out the door without a huge wait.

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Old 05-15-2000, 11:00 AM   #10
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Quote:
Originally posted by Alphine
Correct, this Prodrive setup is for a fast street configuration not for the track or autocross. I drive almost 25k miles per year and I would like to have some kidneys left at the end of the year.


Actually you should then go for the Version 5 suspension. Much cheaper and the way to go if you want ride quality (even some prodrive owners admit !)
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Old 05-15-2000, 05:36 PM   #11
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I'm all about the Kumho 712's...Dose be bad @$$ Tires! (especially 4 the price)
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Old 05-16-2000, 01:35 AM   #12
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Actually, I don't think the ver. 5 suspension is cheaper anymore. The Prodrive was engineered for better ride quality, not the STi. I've driven both.

The other comment I have for 63Alpine is, why waste your money on 17" wheels? If you're going for looks, that's great. But you won't get any more performance (those things add too much weight). You can do a lot with the extra $800-1000 that those wheels will cost you. Just a thought.

As for the adjustable sway bar, ask yourself first -- are you ever really going to adjust it? I have the (old) Prodrive setup with 20mm bar and it suits me just fine both on the track and on the street.
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Old 05-16-2000, 01:55 AM   #13
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I am going for the 17" wheels partly for looks and partly so I can go with low profile tires without driving around in what looks like a go-kart. I think that wheel/tire combination will closely match the size of the OEM package. I certainly could get away without buying new wheels and just ditch the OEM tires for a better tire. But hey it's only money!

As far as the anti-sway bar goes, I will most likely just put it on and not play with it again. I am going with a package for a reason. I am not a suspension expert and I would like to leave it to those who no better like Prodrive.
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Old 05-16-2000, 07:05 PM   #14
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Why are the Proxes T1 a bad autocross tire? I have seen some very good times set on them.

I also agree with R. Diamond, 17 inch wheels aren't really any help performance-wise. They are heavier and the tires are more costly (And it pays to get good tires). Wheels are also one of the most likely parts of your car to sustain damage... cha ching.

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Old 05-16-2000, 07:54 PM   #15
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Gotta Love the Kumhos Did anyone notice tirerack raised the prices of them. But they're still super cheap. I don't feel so bad thrashing them around.
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Old 05-17-2000, 09:03 AM   #16
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Yea, Ive kicked some serious butt on my T1S's. They held up very well. And one person who drove my car said they felt *marginally* better than the AVS-I, but I have never used the AVS-I. But I did get a set of 712's, and they are *much* better than the T1S and at nearly 1/2 the cost, with contingency money too, its a no brainer. As for the 17's, I think you will find that the size tire you mentioned is smaller than the stock 205/55/16. Save your money and just get 205/50/16 Kumhos. They are only $80 a pop. Maybe get the wheels powdercoated to look different, if thats what you want. The suspension is a whole different ballgame. You said you drive alot, race very little. Personally, Id go with the adj. rear sway bar, and again save some $ and just get some AGX struts and maybe some new springs.

There, you just saved a whole bunch of money. Now get the intake, headers and exhaust and put a little more bark on the street. After all, driving on the street is far less likely to tax your suspension than your engine. What I mean is the car needs the power more than the suspension crusing on the highway. Assuming you dont travel everywhere at 50 mph above the speedlimit, where the suspension is necessary. It just seems that SPD has you spending a whole lot of money, and not going any faster in a straight line. I say spread the dough around the car and do more instead of less with it.

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Old 05-18-2000, 06:43 AM   #17
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Mike at SPD quoted me prices on the tires and wheel because I asked him too. He did not suggest that I go with 17" wheels although his opinion is that I would get better performance out of the 215/40-17 tire/wheel combo. There may be added weight due to the bigger wheel but the enhanced turn-in performance and the stiffer sidewall as well as the reduced rolling diameter more than make up for the increased weight. I definitely will think about trying out a set of the Kumho's on my stock rims, they sound like a great deal.

I agree that this package does not help me in the go-fast-in-a-straight-line area but that will be fixed as soon as I get the Rimmer supercharger that has just started shipping. I am assuming that around 240 HP will make the go-fast problem go away.

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