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Old 05-17-2000, 01:17 PM   #1
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the 712's (if they have a more detailed nomenclature i don't know it.) no intention of autocrossing; i want a nice tarmac tire to complement an eventual suspension upgrade.
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Old 05-17-2000, 01:23 PM   #2
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the offical name is something like "kumho ecsta supra 712". I like "712" better myself.
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Old 05-17-2000, 01:25 PM   #3
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yeah i remember reading that now... i have the short term memory of a gnat. how about some thoughts on the tires?
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Old 05-17-2000, 01:54 PM   #4
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I'm don't know much about the kumhos, but I do know that the T1-Ss are very sticky and look very agressive on our cars w/ their V shape tread pattern. Since I don't know the kumhos I can't really say if the price of the T1S are worth it, but I love my toyos and will likely to always buy toyos for street for now on. Whenever I look at my car, I see my toyos, obsessed? a little, if you have the extra money to spend on the toyos I would get them.

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Old 05-17-2000, 01:56 PM   #5
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Didn't somebody post something about the T1S's pulling an RE92 at the autox? I mean, something about feathered sidewalls & tread?
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Old 05-17-2000, 02:13 PM   #6
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That was me. It was at the end of a track day...not autoX. The tires were kinda new, which isn't a good thing. I don't know if an autoX puts the tires through the same punishment as a day at the track though.

In retrospect, if you have any new street tire, you will have overheating problems at the track.

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Old 05-17-2000, 02:22 PM   #7
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You're in luck. I'm originally a Toyo fan (having owned some), but I can tell you the 712's are on par with the T1-S's. We had (1 guy had his car trashed) 2 RS's autocrossing each tire down here (Cincinnati). Both setups were stock, but the guy with the 712's was slightly faster all day (due to skill mostly). From my standpoint, it appeared that both tires were gripping the same around the corners and breaking loose at about the same places. Both are excellent, but you can't beat $80/each for an equal (and possibly better) tire! If Toyo sold their T1-S for that price, I'd tell you to flip a coin!

Buy Kumho!

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One thing I forgot to mention, don't sleep on the Bridgestone RE730's! They look to be an excellent tire, and on par with the 712's IMHO. TireRack has a review posted about them somewhere, and their price is comparable to the 712's! In fact, I am 99% sure I'll be buying a set for every day summer driving.

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Old 05-17-2000, 02:32 PM   #8
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Whoops, thanks for clearing that up, Randy.

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Old 05-17-2000, 03:20 PM   #9
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thanks Rajah, thats the kind of info i was after.
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Old 05-17-2000, 04:02 PM   #10
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Check out www.miata.net - they've also got a thread going on Kumhos, and the reactions all seem to be pretty positive..

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Old 05-17-2000, 04:08 PM   #11
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I purchased the 712's, 205/50/ZR16 for my 00 RS. With no miles on them I ran at the auto x track at the Tire Rack in South Bend for open practice. They are great tires much better than stock. They were very controllable and on the 200 mile ride home on the highway and back roads they are alot quiter than I thought they would be. My friend runs 17" T1S's and KYB struts and Eibach springs on his RS. My car was .8 seconds faster for the first four runs, after he got the suspension adjusted correctly he was about .04 faster. After 8 runs my tires at 44psi looked great his looked like crap, all the tread looked like it was rounded off totally off. The T1S's are nice, but for the money I like the 712's.
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Old 05-17-2000, 05:23 PM   #12
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Would you be able to run in G-Stock (auto-x) with the 712's?? I really like this tire and would consider it if I could stay in stock.
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Old 05-17-2000, 05:51 PM   #13
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Dan, sure they would be legal, but the class rules allow DOT-approved racing tires like the Kumho VictoRacer V700, which are much grippier than street tires.
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Old 05-17-2000, 05:56 PM   #14
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sweet. this is exactly the feed back i needed; maaaan i love this board!
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Old 05-17-2000, 06:08 PM   #15
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I stayed in G stock but they really didn't care since it was a open practice. You mean I could buy the V700 and stay in G-Stock also. If so then I could save the 712's for street only, now I need another set of rims, another $400 or so for the tires. Any one out there independently weathly and want to donate money to a fellow Subaru fanatic please email. HA HA
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Old 05-17-2000, 06:27 PM   #16
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Go for the 712's. I got them in 205/50/16 ZR for $76/tire. (has anyone noticed tirack raised the price on them) They are very sticky and the sidewall is super stiff. Mine show no signs of any rolling after 5000miles and 2 autox's. If you do a search you will find more reviews of them. They are great for autox/street. If you want to stay in GS and are looking for a tire only for that purpose, get the Kumho V700.
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Old 05-18-2000, 12:20 AM   #17
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i have read all the threads and had decided on the Kumhos (hello? $80!). then a friend told me he can get the Toyos for $125 a tire. it's still $45 more per tire: though it's $30-$45 less then i was quoted everywhere else. i did'nt think toyos would merit an extra $70-$80 per tire, but $40 seems reasonable: if they offer a noticable performance advantage.... any thoughts?
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What kind of kumhos are you thinking of ? Are you going to be autocrossing them?

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