Bringing Clark to ATL to tune?

[CK02WRX]

Originally posted by siegelracing
C'mon guys, you can imagine the insurance fiasco;

Whoever is tuning blows up the car, the owner is mad, who pays the $2k+ to fix it?

If we're tuning, we're insured. If somebody who's not insured....

CKO2, it's not like we lock you out of the shop and just release the car when we're finished. You are welcome to be out there with my while I'm tuning. I have to push the buttons, but as long as I don't think you're pushing beyond where I'm comfortable (not likely) I am happy to discuss all the tuning with you, or even (again as long as I feel it's safe (which I can support why, and it's relatively aggressive)) I can even take 100% of your direction on what to do.

I think that's pretty reasonable really. There's nothing set in stone here, except of course that we need to cover ourselves legally, beyond that we're extremely flexible.


Thanks again guys,
Scott

P.S. Why aren't you all at the Dragon?

Scott,
I think that's pretty reasonable also. I look forward to talking to you sometime, as the last time I was down there you didn't work there. Maybe I'm the only person that is willing to pay for a mistake, but if I break it, I fix it, and I pay for it. That's just the way I am. I know guys out there that break stuff and strip thier mods and come in saying" I don't know what happened. I never drive it hard or launch it". Those are the same guys that would blame you for bad tuning that they did. You are 100% right on not letting people tune on your dyno when it comes to liability. I also sent you a PM.


Later,
Corey

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[Gman094]

why not do a thing where one of the SOG people is just "following suggestions" I dont know if you could work your way around it by have the main tuner essentialy what maps etc for the SOG to change. i guess it sounds a little far fetched.

[CK02WRX]

That is kind of what Scott said he could do for me but I doubt something like that would work with some of the main wrx tuners out there like Clark. I'm sure that Clark, Nathan, Phil, and Shiv
(just to name a few) Have all been offered money to teach people how to tune, and by telling someone else what to do you are basicly teaching them how to tune.

[Opie]

Come to Tampa...ECUTek my RS...

[TreyS]

www.dyno4mance.com

that's where they can tune w/o a hassle.

Make it happen Mike!!!

[MK19_]

Originally posted by siegelracing
P.S. Why aren't you all at the Dragon?

Teh dragon is teh lame... I spent my weekend enjoyin my scoob and my fiance w/o driving up there. Just not my thing I guess....

[crazyhorse]

Knowledge has already said we can use their dyno. Whoever wants to set it up please shoot me a PM and I'll give you Kevin's number.

[EJ205rulezall]

Kingpin tuning on the East Coast..... just too good to be true I reckon *sigh*

However, I must say, applause to those who worked so hard trying to pull this off in the first place. Dont give up just yet!

Rick

[crazyhorse]

Like I said... I've already got the OK from Knowledge... I just don't have time to set up the particulars. So... whoever wants to pick up the ball can take it from there.

[Kingpin]

Hey Tim,

Shoot me Kevins number and I will talk over some perticulars with him. Looks like there is some positive support for the event and we would be happy to do anything we can to make something happen. Let me know. Thanks.

Mike

[Gman094]

well i go out of town for a month in a week so i wont be able to attend anything until after july 16th.

[MK19_]

Any update on getting this rescheduled?

[crazyhorse]

Sorry guys.. I JUST got in from a week long beach vacation. Mike.. I'll get you on AIM or give you a call tomorrow. Going to be a lil busy at the dealership catching up but I will be in touch.

[redhat778]

Hopefully we can get something going to get Mike or Clark out here.

[crazyhorse]

I gave Mike the number... Just keep on him so he doesn't forget!

[CeeLowe]

Tim,

Any updates from Mike?? Call me and let me know..

Chris

[speedy gp]

Got my 2.5 installed and breaking her in !!! Bumping this to see if it's still alive???

[CeeLowe]

I hope this is still alive.. But I havent been able to speak to Tim, Clark, or Mike in almost a week. So I am keeping my fingers that they are just super busy and not ignoring me for some reason.

Chris

[speedy gp]

Well whoever is running this dyno day, just make sure you put me on the list!!!

Thanks-Glenn

[Dyno4mance]

Hey guys this is Andrew
...don't mean to "threadjack"
You are welcome to schedule a dyno day at our facility...just give me a call here at the shop...(706) 602 8881
The usual way we do things is... we provide staff for the tie down and to operate the dyno, we also cookout and provide pictures and DVD footage of the day...
The cost for dyno time is $100.00 per car (usually 1 hour) and the food, media and staff is included in that price
We have found that on a tuning day we can accomodate about 10-12 cars and on a powerrun/shootout days we can run about 20 cars
We have a big screen so paticipants can watch the proceedings of cars running on our Dyno Dynamics AWD dyno in relative comfort and safety...
Hope to here from you soon
Andrew

[Noize]

Crazyhorse, PM me please.

I also want to advocate Dyno4mance. I've been to both Dyno4mance and Knowledge, and Dyno4mance is much more equipped for a multiple car swapping setup due to the type of dyno that they utilize.

In addition to what was written above, here's what I can offer you guys with Dyno4mance:
(1) Much faster setup times between cars due to the fact that they utilize a Dyno Dynamics dynamometer.
(2) Dyno Dynamics is more repeatable than a Dynapack (or even a Dynojet for that matter) and superior for consistency when tuning.
(3) Competitive pricing.
(4) At least 4 people on staff to assist all your needs, and not be distracted by other things going on. In short, we'll dedicate the entire weekend to this event.

Please call Andrew or PM me for more info. We're excited to assist in this, and would love to get Clark and company to have this event down at Dyno4mance.

Seth

[Porter]

Originally posted by Noize
(2) Dyno Dynamics is more repeatable than a Dynapack (or even a Dynojet for that matter) and superior for consistency when tuning.

Seth

More power to you in getting the event set up, but please don't throw statements like this around. There are a lot of people who would take exception to your suggestion that a roller dyno is "more repeatable" than any form of direct-linkage chassis dynamometer. Most qualified, capable Dynapack operators see repeatability within 0.5 hp. Here at the shop we often see repeatability within 0.2 hp on naturally aspirated cars.

Good luck with the event! I need to get up there sooner or later to say hello and check out your setup, I hear it's pretty awesome.

[Noize]

I've not had the pleasure of taking my WRX to Subaru of Gwinnett, as my WRX was gone before you guys got your dyno going. My only ATL dynapack experiences are with Knowledge Performance.

There is a phenomenal article in the new August issue Sport Compact Car that you should check out. They take an AWD Ford truck to several different dynos and test them out and compare results.

Although the DD reads lowest, it provided the most consistent and repeatable results.

My personal opinion of a Dynapack is that they are wildly different in readings between one another. Of course, most dynos are, and as long as you tune at the same place, it really doesn't matter.

As far as removing the wheels to tune a car, I have issue with that. You're altering the true nature of how the car will run on the road, the weight of the tires and the extra effort required to turn them at rpm is removed from the equation completely in a Dynapack.

Having seen/used several Dynojets, one Dynapack, a Mustang Dynamometer, my personal preference for an AWD turbocharged car is Dyno Dynamics.

Can a car be well tuned on any of these? Of course! My main points are that it is my opinion (and that of several others) that a DD is the most repeatable dyno in the industry. Also, it is a fact that setup time between cars in a DD is much faster than a Dynapack.

Please realize that I'd like to see this event occur at Dyno4mance. Therefore, of course I'm going to sell the benefits of utilizing their shop, as I'm sure Knowledge has their own benefits to sell as well.

[Porter]

Ah, then you're talking about repeatability between one dyno and another... which is not the same thing at all as repeatability on the same dyno.

Good luck with the event!

[EJ205rulezall]

^^
YAY! this subject hasn't been beaten to death, oh no! never.