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Old 05-28-2004, 04:51 PM   #1
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Exclamation The best products for the WRX

This thread represents my opinion as to "the best". If anyone wishes to add their thoughts, feel free. Please provide evidence or reasoning though. Just because it's on your car, doesn't make it the best.

The Best Uppipe

Best Uppipe: COBB Tuning inconel uppipe.

Reasoning: Inconel is twice as strong and insulates twice as well as stainless steel.

Honorable Mention:
a. Crucial Racing uppipe. Comes coated inside and out for good heat retention.
b. TurboXS cast iron uppipe. Cast iron piping for good heat retention.
c. APS uppipe. Cast iron piping for good heat retention.

Best Uppipe on a budget: Gutted stock uppipe.

Reasoning: Gutting your stock uppipe can have the same benefits as using a more expensive aftermarket uppipe. Dyno Proof.

Honorable Mention:
a. GT Spec uppipe. Cheapest aftermarket uppipe.
b. Used uppipe by any manufacturer. Some don't want used components on their car, but for those that don't mind, you can get an expensive aftermarket uppipe for 25-50% off its retail value. Keep in mind that many warranties are not transferable though.

Further research: Uppipe FAQ

The Best Downpipe

Best Downpipe: COBB Tuning Downpipe.

Reasoning: Cast design is better for heat retention than the other downpipe offerings on the market. More heat retention = quicker exhaust velocity.

Honorable Mention:
a. APS Downpipe. Cast iron design is better for heat retention than the other downpipe offerings on the market.
b. Helix Downpipe. Cast design is better for heat retention than the other downpipe offerings on the market.
c. Crucial Racing downpipe. Comes coated inside and out for good heat retention.

Best Downpipe on a budget: Gutted OEM downpipe.

Reasoning: Stock appearance and good heat retention. Probably for the more mechanically inclined considering the work required, but even with professional welding, it will be under $100 for a catless downpipe.

Honorable Mention:
a. Stromung, HKS, and Oakos offer flat plate downpipes for around $175.
b. Bosal and Stromung offer twin dump downpipes for between $200-$250.
c. Used downpipe by any manufacturer. Some don't want used components on their car, but for those that don't mind, you can get an expensive aftermarket downpipe for 25-50% off its retail value. Keep in mind that many warranties are not transferable though.

Further research: Downpipe FAQ

The Best Exhaust

Best Exhaust: There is no best exhaust.

Reasoning: Exhausts are broken down into many catagories, the most popular of which are cost and sound.

Loudest Exhaust:
a. TurboXS RFL
b. Blitz NUR Spec R
c. Kakimoto
d. BPM Twister MKIII
e. Helix

Reasoning: These are the commonly known "loudest" exhausts on the market. No dB information exists, but to quote a famous saying, "If you have to ask, it's too loud".

Best Sounding Exhaust:

a. Prodrive
b. ScoobySport
c. Stromung

Reasoning: These are commonly known as the "best sounding" exhausts on the market. This is probably the most subjective catagory, but these are the three most commonly thought of exhausts.

Quietest Exhaust:

a. Prodrive
b. M2
c. MRT Twin Tip
d. Borla Hush
e. STi
f. GReddy Evolution

Reasoning: The comparative and subjective data on these quietest exhuasts is listed:

a. M2 Performance 94db @ idle, 94 @ 3000 RPM
b. GReddy Evolution 94db @ idle, 92 @ 3000 RPM
c. MRT Twin Tip: No data, but commonly known as quiet.
d. Prodrive: 94dB @ idle
e. STi Muffler: No data, but commonly known as quiet.
f. Borla Hush: New exhaust with few reviews, but all of them seem to point to quiet.

Best Exhaust on a budget: The most inexpensive exhaust is a custom exhaust using a skilled local exhaust shop and a few ordered components. Custom units can be fabricated for as little as $450. MattSpec Exhaust is one example of how to craft a quality, inexpensive exhaust.

Reasoning: Though not a name brand, a custom exhaust skillfully fabricated using quality components will be far cheaper and just as powerful as a Vendor purchased unit.

Honorable Mention:
Used exhaust by any manufacturer. Some don't want used components on their car, but for those that don't mind, you can get an expensive aftermarket exhaust for 25-50% off of its retail value. Keep in mind that many warranties are not transferable though.

Further research: Exhaust FAQ

The Best Intercooler Hoses

Best Intercooler Hoses: Whichever ones are on sale.

Reasoning: Functionally, they are all the same. Unless you have a color preference, the cheapest ones will suit you fine.

Honorable Mention:
Used intercooler hoses by any manufacturer. Some don't want used components on their car, but for those that don't mind, you can get an expensive aftermarket intercooler hoses for 25-50% off of their retail value. Keep in mind that many warranties are not transferable though.

Further research: Intercooler Hose FAQ

The Best Pulley

Best Pulley: Perrin

Reasoning: Perrin is the only major manufacturer of lightweight stock diameter pulleys. Though under-driven pulleys aren't a major concern, most people don't want to mess with any possible electrical issues they may cause.

Best Pulley on a budget: Mr Josh's.

Reasoning: Nearly identical to the Perrin unit with a greatly reduced price.

Honorable Mention:
Used pulley by any manufacturer. Some don't want used components on their car, but for those that don't mind, you can get an expensive aftermarket pulley for 25-50% off of its retail value. Keep in mind that many warranties are not transferable though.

Further research: Pulley FAQ

The Best Header

Best Header: Borla

Reasoning: Borla headers have the industry's best warranty, are extremely affordable, and are the only headers that come ceramic coated.

Best Headers on a budget: eBay headers.

Reasoning: These are so cheap, why not? There are several brands available on eBay through a couple different manufacturers.

Honorable Mention:
Used header by any manufacturer. Some don't want used components on their car, but for those that don't mind, you can get an expensive aftermarket header for 25-50% off of its retail value. Keep in mind that many warranties are not transferable though.

Further research:
Header FAQ

The Best Gears

Best Gears for 300WHP or below and non hard core drag racers: 2004+ OEM WRX gears that have been shot peened. 2003+ OEM WRX 1st, 2nd, & 3rd gears (AKA the ones that break the most) were increased to STi RA width, though no one knows the cut-off date in 2003, so the best bet is to go with 04+ gears. Shot peening increases their strength quantitatively by 20%. Some may also be interested in additional cryo treatment. A complete OEM gearset can be had for ~$850, shot peening is ~$150, & cryo treatment is ~$150. Any of these options are cheaper, stronger, and more readily availble than RA gearsets available through Vendors.

Reasoning: While going this route requires a lot of work via the end user, the benefits of additional treatment will make them stronger than their pure RA cousins and at the same time cost less.

Honorable Mention: RA gears available through Vendors (~$1300) or PPG 1/2 + OEM 3/4/5 (~$1600).

Best Gears for 300WHP and up and hard core drag racers: PPG gears. While not much data is available for the "better" gear sets, PPG stands alone as the only gear set that doesn't have any reports of broken gears. That isn't to say that users will have great success with PAR, Kaaz, etc., but they have all had their share of broken gears.

Reasoning: Based on tremendous amounts of research here and the MRT tranny forums (probably the best transmission resource available), PPG seems to be the king of gears that someone might be able to afford.

Further research:
Transmission FAQ

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Old 05-28-2004, 07:23 PM   #2
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Great FAQ... this should beadded in FAQ List. Keep em coming for other products.

Can you add a Best Performance section maybe by hp/torque gains for the exhaust?

once again keep up the good work.
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Old 05-28-2004, 07:49 PM   #3
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Unabomber strikes again!

I like the break down into categories for exhaust systems. That will answer tons of questions. Some people don't really know what they are really wanting when shopping for an exhaust. That will help them weigh their priorities.
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Old 05-28-2004, 08:06 PM   #4
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Damn....I'm a loser in all catagories!!!


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Old 05-28-2004, 09:03 PM   #5
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Awesome info as always, FAQ Massa

From the UP FAQ:
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What uppipe metal material is best? Uppipes are made from mild steel, stainless steel (304 & 321), and cast iron. There is no irrefutable evidence that one material is better than the other.
Now cast iron is positively the best? Is this just a theory or has it been well tested and proved? If it's the later then maybe we should update the UP FAQ. Same goes for the DP.
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:52 PM   #6
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Damn....I'm a loser in all catagories!!!
Don't worry, so am I.

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Now cast iron is positively the best? Is this just a theory or has it been well tested and proved?
In regard to heat retention, cast iron is the best. The "best" I referred to in my uppipe FAQ had to do with material longevity as opposed to heat retention.

Thanks for the opinions folks. This isn't a FAQ per se, but rather my personal opinion on specific parts. FAQs are brand neutral and this post is not. For some forum visitors, they aren't interested in the theory, they just want "the best". This is my attempt to help those forum visitors with the simple answer. Believe me.......my PM box reflects greatly the amount of people that just want the part/company names! They never ask about the price, just what to buy. I'm glad to help, I just wish one of these people would say, "let me buy us both the "best" uppipe".
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If you have time, we could really use an FAQ on shifting. It seems like every week there are threads on double-clutching, rev-matching, downshifting into 1st, shifting into reverse, what rpm to launch at, etc ...
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hmmm .. unabomber. You make a great FAQ as always. My only complaint is that it's more opinion...


I'd like to add that Helix makes a very low priced uppipe and downpipe of excellent quality.
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If you have time, we could really use an FAQ on shifting. It seems like every week there are threads on double-clutching, rev-matching, downshifting into 1st, shifting into reverse, what rpm to launch at, etc ...
Never thought of a FAQ for the driver. Many, many people here say the first mod is to "tighten the nut behind the wheel". I gave shifting advice to someone earlier today as a matter of fact. Thanks for the idea Mike! Swaybars were next on my mental radar, but I think they just got bumped.

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hmmm .. unabomber. You make a great FAQ as always. My only complaint is that it's more opinion...
I'd like to add that Helix makes a very low priced uppipe and downpipe of excellent quality.
Yes, it is all opinion this time. I will agree that the Helix downpipe is dynamite for the money. I think their uppipe at around $200 is overpriced though. Many Vendors offer decent deals when it is bundled with their other items though and it becomes a better deal at around $150ish though. I am personally not a fan of package deals though. It's nothing against Helix or your opinion, but I prefer to buy items based on their merit rather than getting them for the sake of "a deal". By itself though, I don't think that uppipe is worth $200.

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1 TurboXS themselves have admitted that there is ZERO power difference between their up pipe and a larger diameter steel pipe, or even a gutted factory pipe.
Considering that a gutted factory pipe is FREE and will not net you the headaches of reoccuring up pipe leaks due to a faulty improperly designed up pipe (any solid up pipe is a faulty, improper design. There is a reason the factory pipe has a flex)
Any solid up pipe should be at the bottom of the list for reliability and cost effectiveness. My BPM flex up pipe has NEVER leaked. I have yet to see a solid pipe not leak. I see claims, but real life is more important to me. Solid up pipes=headaches

Yes, its THEORETICALLY better. but in real life testing, there is absolutely no power or spool gains with it over any other uppy
2 The RFL is not as loud as the BPM twister. I had a side by side rev off with my twister and an RFL. Everyone saaid he was going to be louder. He reved. They were all like "wow thats loud" Then I reved. They all jumped back in fear and told me to stop revving, as it was A LOT louder than the RFL and just plain too loud. (hence, its not on my car anymore)



Otherwise, yet another kick ass Unabomber post
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And thanks for your post several weeks ago which reminded me to do this! You are right about the BPM. I throw parties at my house for local Scooby owners. There is one guy with a BPM that now has to park down the street due to Mrs. Unabomber's orders!

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Old 05-28-2004, 11:40 PM   #12
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More wisdom from Unabomber.

Technically, my uppipe choice gets an honorable mention, (used jdm v7) but I paid too much. I should have read more Unabomber posts before I bought it! Great stuff.
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Why isn't stromung on the best sounding exhaust?
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Rather than the title "The best products for the WRX" you should probably just call it "What Unabomber Recommends for the WRX" as the "best" for one person and application may not be the "best" for another.

Just as an example I really wanted a flex in my uppipe because 1) the OEM one has a flex, 2) There are, reportedly, less fitment issues, 3) I was installing it and that was probably the one and only time in my life I would install an uppipe so just wanted something that would not give me any problems. Perhaps the uppipe I got was not the "best" in terms of performance or the "best" in terms of price but for my goals and peace of mind it is "best".

Otherwise I guess this post will be helpful for discovering a new vendor/product that you hadn't considered before or for people who really want a quick fix for "what should I buy" and don't want to take the time to read longer posts such as this.
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Why isn't stromung on the best sounding exhaust?
Because there aren't as many cheerleaders out there! ScoobySport and Prodrive owners are fanatics about their exhausts. Make a post titled best sounding exhaust and those people will come out of the woodwork. Not so much with the Stromung crowd. I'm NOT saying it isn't great, but the P/SS crowd is a rowdy bunch that would e-lynch me if they weren't mentioned.

voam,

I very much agree with your comments. This post isn't the end all. It is soley my opinion and primarily designed for "one stop shopping" for those interested in upgrading without all that silly research that annoys so many here.
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And thanks for your post several weeks ago which reminded me to do this! You are right about the BPM. I throw parties at my house for local Scooby owners. There is one guy with a BPM that now has to park down the street due to Mrs. Unabomber's orders!

I had to CHANGE my exh for local motorsports events, due to being too loud


Hey, when am I getting my own Unabomber FAQ? You can PM TheMadScientist, Chrislehr and doogdog for info
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Stromung is THE BEST sounding exhaust!!!!!! THE BEST EVER!!

Now put it on there! It deserves to be on that list!!! After having 4 different exhausts on my car this is the one that is staying. It's quiet at idle and cruising, and when you get on it, it gets loud without being obnoxious... And the sound is sooo sweet! I get compliments from everyone on this thing (even my sister who has thought every exhaust i've ever owned was loud and obnoxious!) I also think the APS exhaust is one of the best around and should get some notice as well. It's not the most common but it definitely is very well made and sounds phenomenal as well....

I think Autospeed should receive honorable mention for their Crank pulley. It's stock diameter, weighs just a hair more than the Perrin, and is beautifully made.....

I think the Vishnu IC hoses are better than the samco hoses. I've seen both side by side and the samco hoses weren't as smooth on the inside (there was some extra silicone hanging out inside). FWIW I had the samcos and was disappointed with how much better made the vishnu hoses were....

How about adding categories for BOV's and CAI's?!?
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Just in my opinion after installing a whole lot of different uppipes wrxs I would say the gutted stocker is number 1. I havent found any drawbacks to it, the turboxs uppipe has 2 drawbacks 1 it isnt free and 2 it may leak. And Id have a factory catless uppipe as number 2 on the list (jdm or usdm uppipe).

And on the downpipes I would say the best one on a budget is a used hks that you can get for $90-100 shipped unless you happen to have a welder. If the price is the same why go through all the trouble of taking apart the dp and welding it back together especially since if you decide to change it you can sell the hks on the net for $10 less then what you bought it for, the gutted stocker wouldnt be worth the labor and money put into it.
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It seems like the TurboXS UP gets the most complaints when it comes to leaks. I've never installed one and it's probably all in the installation but it seems like 75% of the TurboXS owners complain about leaks as opposed to 50% for the others.
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thx for the info!
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Yet another nice FAQ,

However I must disagree on the TXS uppipe. Every TXS I have installed, has leaked. I'm certin it is due to that silly step in the bottom flange, if not for that, the pipe would be perfect.

Also, best exhaust. The SPT/ Bosal catback. Sounds good, is cheap, and does not affect warranty at all


Oh, and until somebody puts the four holes for the crank pulley tool into their lightweight pullies, all of them will have the suckage.
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Old 06-01-2004, 12:16 PM   #22
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Airbornemotorsports make lightweight pulleys that are not underdriven.....weather they are better than perrin's I don't know but you might want to check them out. They have a lightweight, and ultralightweight
their website is a little weird, but try it and see if you can find them. It's www.airbornemotorsports.com
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Ah, I've been waiting for a "Unabomber's Opinion" thread. Thanks!
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I'll put in my vote for Stromung too... I've had 2 Stromungs on my OBS and the Prodrive is on my WRX. like em both (do prefer the Prodrive a little more but it's probably cuz it's not quite as loud).
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