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Old 06-02-2004, 07:19 PM   #1
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Default is it still a good idea to get a clearbra even if you have scratches on your car?

hey I have a 04 blue wrx, had it for about 2 months and I want to put a 3m clearbra on it. THe problem is the bumper has some chips, scratches already, so it really kind of moot point to put one on after there is already damage on it?

Also one other thing that happened that i'm worried will affect the installation is that a cicada splat that was on my car (did'nt get to it fast enough) ate at my finish and there is a small spot of discoloration, and it feels as though it lifted the paint slightly. Its not smooth at all f you bring your finger over it, since its not smooth will the clearbra not go on smoothly?

TIA, hopefully i dont have to get the bumper repainted to get one put on.

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Old 06-02-2004, 08:26 PM   #2
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The whole point of the clear bra is to prevent scratches and paint chips. Get it fixed, then put the bra on.

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Old 06-02-2004, 10:19 PM   #3
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The whole point of the clear bra is to prevent scratches and paint chips. Get it fixed, then put the bra on.

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yeah i was planning on it..but i guess the small physical blemishes will have to be fixed first..crap.
Ok,thanks for the help
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Old 06-02-2004, 10:24 PM   #4
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Looks like the scratches you desribe occur on the bumper covers only. Given your situation, I would just let the plastic bumper covers be and eventually repaint it before applying the 3M Scotchguard. If the scratches on the bumper cover are all tiny scratches and not too deep, you can put touch up paint and let it dry for at least 1 day (the longer the better), and then put the 3M on.

For the metal body parts, as long as the scratches are not that big, I would just clean it really well, perhaps use clay bar to remove persistent contaminants, and then apply the 3M anyway. You could prevent the scratches from getting worse that way. You might even prevent rust from forming, although I'm not 100% sure of that. The argument related to rust is irrelevant for the aluminum hood of course.

I actually use small patches of 3M as temporary scratch band-aids too.

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Old 06-02-2004, 10:43 PM   #5
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Looks like the scratches you desribe occur on the bumper covers only. Given your situation, I would just let the plastic bumper covers be and eventually repaint it before applying the 3M Scotchguard. If the scratches on the bumper cover are all tiny scratches and not too deep, you can put touch up paint and let it dry for at least 1 day (the longer the better), and then put the 3M on.

For the metal body parts, as long as the scratches are not that big, I would just clean it really well, perhaps use clay bar to remove persistent contaminants, and then apply the 3M anyway. You could prevent the scratches from getting worse that way. You might even prevent rust from forming, although I'm not 100% sure of that. The argument related to rust is irrelevant for the aluminum hood of course.

I actually use small patches of 3M as temporary scratch band-aids too.

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hey not a bad idea using small patches of the clearbra as band-aids, i might try that.

I think i'll just wait on the bumper and maybe just apply the clearbra to the front of the hood, then like you said one day get the bumper redone and have more of it applied (plus i think I can handle doing a self install on the hood and leave the bumper to the pros).
Thanks alot for your help! it was kind of disheartning (sp) to see this kind of wear on my paint already after only owning my car for 2 months

thanks alot for the help though, i appreciate it!!
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Old 06-02-2004, 11:58 PM   #6
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No problem.

Regarding the band-aid idea; it works. Just remember that you'll be able to see if up close. Better than leaving it open & unattended though.

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I think i'll just wait on the bumper and maybe just apply the clearbra to the front of the hood, then like you said one day get the bumper redone and have more of it applied (plus i think I can handle doing a self install on the hood and leave the bumper to the pros).
While you're considering applying 3M on the hood, might as well do so for the side fender (around the sidemarker area), fogs, headlights, and strips along the sides of the doors. Of all those, the headlights should be the trickiest.

Who knows, by the time you finish those, you may be comfortable enough to attempt install on the bumper cover. After proper touch-up of the chips of course.

For the DIY install route, I highly recommend taking a look at the various installation tips out there. 3M's corporate site has interesting info on these 3M Scotchguards (previously known as Scotchcal). Vendors (e.g. rockblocker) also have tips on their site that you may find helpful. Here's a thread from an amateur's point of view (me): http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=283179
The basic procedure is simple. It's the minute details & tips are what's good to know.
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Old 06-03-2004, 12:02 AM   #7
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satrya,

Good advice.

Eric,
if you have any other questions let us know we may be able to help. BTW I grew up in the midwest so I know what a pain the cicadas can be LOL. The 3M material actually doesn't get stained permanently by bugs. Yea!!

Find more info here.

Take Care.

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Old 06-03-2004, 01:15 PM   #8
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I would just get it done all over. I have it on the bumper, hood, top sides of the fenders, backs of the mirrors and inside the door handles. As far as waiting to get the bumper repainted then do it you may have a problem. I had to get 3/4 of my car repainted due to a sand storm and the shop I went to would not put the clear bra back on for 60 days to allow the paint to cure. So if that is the case you could very easily pay to have the bumper repainted then have it get chipped again before the clear can get on so you are back to where you started.
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I would just get it done all over. I have it on the bumper, hood, top sides of the fenders, backs of the mirrors and inside the door handles. As far as waiting to get the bumper repainted then do it you may have a problem. I had to get 3/4 of my car repainted due to a sand storm and the shop I went to would not put the clear bra back on for 60 days to allow the paint to cure. So if that is the case you could very easily pay to have the bumper repainted then have it get chipped again before the clear can get on so you are back to where you started.
The reason why they wouldnt is the paint has to cure and be done outgasing. If the product goes on to early the paint can bubble and cause a huge issue. usually if you let the paint shop know to bake it extra good they will so the protection can go on sooner.
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Old 06-04-2004, 11:12 AM   #10
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When I first got my Stonguard applied, the installer mentioned that the 3M material actually magnifies blemishes like a magnifying glass. Thus, if you have a chips and scratches under the film, they may become more noticable. Just something to consider.
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Old 06-04-2004, 03:54 PM   #11
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Question thin film acting like a magnifying glass?

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...the installer mentioned that the 3M material actually magnifies blemishes like a magnifying glass.
I could've misunderstood this statement, but I don't see how the thin film would cause a noticeable change in the apparent size of a chip/crack/scar on the paint surface.

Even if the 3M material is applied on a surface such that the inner and outer surface mimics the shape of a lens (be it concave or convex), the location of the object is too close to the lens (since the 3M material adheres to the surface of the body panel) for any optical effect to be noticeable.

There's a Java applet someone made on convex/concave lens&mirrors you can play with to see this effect, if you don't want to bother with the equations. Drag the object near the lens, and you'd hardly see any optical magnification/reduction.

Applet can be found here:
http://www.phy.ntnu.edu.tw/java/Lens/lens_e.html
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Old 06-06-2004, 10:49 AM   #12
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When I first got my Stonguard applied, the installer mentioned that the 3M material actually magnifies blemishes like a magnifying glass. Thus, if you have a chips and scratches under the film, they may become more noticable. Just something to consider.
This is posible under certain circumstances. FOr example if you have a black car with rock chips they are usually white in color? The clear film causes them to stand out more under certain lighting conditions.

IE At bare minimum touch up the chips on all colors especially darker ones so the chips wont bother you later under the film.

Light scratches will not show through the film, but deep scuffs might. Hard to day for sure.

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