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Old 05-22-2004, 06:11 PM   #1
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Default Quarter mile in Alberta

I'm just curious what people have been running for quartermile times here in Alberta.

I went to Budweiser Motorpark the other night (got to go about 8 times) and ran a 14.3 sec quartermile for a best time... The only thing is it's not a stock car.
It's a stage 2... Exhaust, Utec comp and boost controller (16psi).

With my setup people claim to have gotten as low as 13.5 sec.
Here is the breakdown of my run:

R/T 0.002
60' 1.973
330 5.871
1/8 9.153
mph 75.37
1000 11.948
1/4 14.32
mph 93.37

What am I doing wrong? I know my 60 foot could be a touch better but I still can't fathom breaking into the 13 seconds. Could it be the strip at Budweiser? Could it be the elevation in Edmonton? I'm suspecting it being something other than my pisspoor driving since there were 3 neon SRT4's the same night that couldn't run better than a 14.3 .... They were staged as well and should have easily been in the 13's. Maybe they were all rookie drivers, I'm not certain. Can anyone relate?
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Old 05-23-2004, 03:01 AM   #2
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I'm just curious what people have been running for quartermile times here in Alberta.

I went to Budweiser Motorpark the other night (got to go about 8 times) and ran a 14.3 sec quartermile for a best time... The only thing is it's not a stock car.
It's a stage 2... Exhaust, Utec comp and boost controller (16psi).

With my setup people claim to have gotten as low as 13.5 sec.
Here is the breakdown of my run:

R/T 0.002
60' 1.973
330 5.871
1/8 9.153
mph 75.37
1000 11.948
1/4 14.32
mph 93.37

What am I doing wrong? I know my 60 foot could be a touch better but I still can't fathom breaking into the 13 seconds. Could it be the strip at Budweiser? Could it be the elevation in Edmonton? I'm suspecting it being something other than my pisspoor driving since there were 3 neon SRT4's the same night that couldn't run better than a 14.3 .... They were staged as well and should have easily been in the 13's. Maybe they were all rookie drivers, I'm not certain. Can anyone relate?

one word for you: elevation.

my 03 rex ran a 14.75 bone stock in grande prairie at the aiport..
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Old 05-23-2004, 03:59 AM   #3
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I plan on taking my car to the track one of these fridays. Curious to see what time I'll get compared to my old ride. I just have an Invidia DP and a gutted uppipe for mods.
I ran a 14.1 at 99 mph at Budwieser in my 89 5.0LX with only gears and exh. for mods which isn't to bad for a mostly stock stang. So the elevation can't be "that" bad can it? I was hoping to get close to that with my WRX, not so sure now.
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Old 05-23-2004, 02:22 PM   #4
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I may be wrong in this, but doesnt utec control your boost also? I dont see why you would run a MBC with utec. I know when i get my accessport (this thurs) my boost will be set at 15.7 +/- but that is controled by the ecu.

I guessing either your not tuned properly, or you just need more practice driving. BTW, what downpipe are you running?

SRT4's would be in the 13's with a really good driver, or DR would get them there. FWD is not fun to launch.
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Old 05-23-2004, 03:18 PM   #5
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sounds spot on...
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Old 05-23-2004, 10:58 PM   #6
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I plan on taking my car to the track one of these fridays. Curious to see what time I'll get compared to my old ride. I just have an Invidia DP and a gutted uppipe for mods.
I ran a 14.1 at 99 mph at Budwieser in my 89 5.0LX with only gears and exh. for mods which isn't to bad for a mostly stock stang. So the elevation can't be "that" bad can it? I was hoping to get close to that with my WRX, not so sure now.
Wheelhop, let me know how you do. I'm very interested in your slips.
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Old 05-23-2004, 11:10 PM   #7
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I may be wrong in this, but doesnt utec control your boost also? I dont see why you would run a MBC with utec. I know when i get my accessport (this thurs) my boost will be set at 15.7 +/- but that is controled by the ecu.

I guessing either your not tuned properly, or you just need more practice driving. BTW, what downpipe are you running?

SRT4's would be in the 13's with a really good driver, or DR would get them there. FWD is not fun to launch.
My Utec isn't tuned. It is running off of a base map that TurboXS sent me based on my mods and the gas I'd be using (92 octane).

TurboXS sent the MBC with the Utec actually. I think the computer controls when boost comes on but you still need the MBC to cap maximum boost.

I also have the TurboXS downpipe and midpipe. Wow, this is beginning to sound like an advertisement for TurboXS!

Would still like to know what others have gotten for timeslips in Alberta. Those SRT4's with stage 1 should be mid 13's easy.
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Old 05-23-2004, 11:42 PM   #8
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Last year at Bud Park I pulled a 15.0 @ 92.5mph in my 2001 Celica GT-S with intake/exhaust.

What's killing my ETs is the FWD and a 60' of about 2.4 sec.


Elevation does play a huge factor. Budweiser Park has a elevation of 2200 feet. So to convert your ET and trap speed to sea level:

Your ET multiplied by 0.9744....
Your trap multiplied by 1.0269...


so if you got 14.32@ 93.37mph at 2200 feet, the eqivalent at sea level would be:

13.95 @ 95.88.
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Old 05-23-2004, 11:50 PM   #9
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I may be wrong in this, but doesnt utec control your boost also? I dont see why you would run a MBC with utec. I know when i get my accessport (this thurs) my boost will be set at 15.7 +/- but that is controled by the ecu.

I guessing either your not tuned properly, or you just need more practice driving. BTW, what downpipe are you running?

SRT4's would be in the 13's with a really good driver, or DR would get them there. FWD is not fun to launch.
you think fwd is hard to launch? god damn its a joke compared to launching the wrx consistantly!!! i practiced on a back road like all night long before drag wars trying to master it.

and you do need the mbc with the utec. Each staged kit runs boost levels higher than are achievable with the standard factory boost control system. The mbc must be used to increase the flow capacity of this system.
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Old 05-24-2004, 12:58 PM   #10
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Still guys... it has to be something other than environmental factors. There's a saying in racing, "... don't blame the circumstances, look at the driver." With more practice, I'm sure your times will drop, even w/o changes to your cars' set-up. You should be able to run much better E.T.'s than me. I once ran 14.44 sec @ 143 km/h (approx 88mph). That was w/ a perfect launch, +5 degree temps in late Sept. & at the time 3 LSDs. I have never since been able to reproduce that (15s since). But still, that's a bone stock EJ22 N/A sedan. I do have some miniscule racing exp. but like I said, your times should drop w/ more exp. Our mantra at the shop is, "It's never the car, it's the driver."
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Old 05-24-2004, 11:14 PM   #11
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Still guys... it has to be something other than environmental factors. There's a saying in racing, "... don't blame the circumstances, look at the driver." With more practice, I'm sure your times will drop, even w/o changes to your cars' set-up. You should be able to run much better E.T.'s than me. I once ran 14.44 sec @ 143 km/h (approx 88mph). That was w/ a perfect launch, +5 degree temps in late Sept. & at the time 3 LSDs. I have never since been able to reproduce that (15s since). But still, that's a bone stock EJ22 N/A sedan. I do have some miniscule racing exp. but like I said, your times should drop w/ more exp. Our mantra at the shop is, "It's never the car, it's the driver."
Thanks Damianq... That's what I wanted to hear. I know I can improve... Just wanted an idea of what others experienced. Btw, nice time in your N/A 99 Impreza! What is the record for stock 99 Impreza? Did you run that here in Alberta?
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Old 05-25-2004, 05:43 PM   #12
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Does this mean i could have done 12s in my old setup

but what you really should be looking at is mph here. If you did ~94 mph that ain't bad... remember first two gears are ETA and the last gears are mph...

mph = horses.. your car is pretty good for the mods...

hotrod in colorado got into low 13's with the stock turbo... which is gutted to the bone.... that is very impressive with his altitude...
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Old 05-26-2004, 06:59 AM   #13
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Skimpreza: I don't know what the record is for a 2.2L TS. To be honest, I don't care - not really my thing. We had just been lent the track for the day to do some testing for our racecars. We finished early and decided to race each other, that's all. And yes, I ran it here in AB - Bud park.

HOK: W/ your set-up I can see 12s being possible if your car went ona serious diet & if RaceCity were about 1000ft lower in elevation. Got a buddy in T.O. area w/ a similar set-up in his MY98, he's mere fractions away from 12s - 13.0X! Mind you we could nevere comfortably use his car to cruise the town.
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Old 05-26-2004, 03:38 PM   #14
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wow... thats crazy fast... but why can 't you cruise around town comfortably...?

BTW if i don't get 12's this year i'm quitting hahaha..

also my stupid friend is thinking of buying a "newer" NA skyline... bleh...

so are you going to rocky rally?
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Old 05-26-2004, 10:52 PM   #15
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BTW if i don't get 12's this year i'm quitting hahaha..

Yeah right

FWIW HOK did 13.4 over a year ago when the correction factor at Race City that night was 5200ft I was there. That's 13.03 using the 1/2 correction factor for turbocharged cars.
http://www.hardtail.com/techtips/altitude.html

My AVO 450 turbo on the left and his tiny new turbo on the right.

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Old 05-27-2004, 01:26 AM   #16
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wow... thats crazy fast... but why can 't you cruise around town comfortably...?
His car is gutted as much as the rules will allow w/a partial cage. So it's very noisy & he has only two aluminum seats, on the floor, w/ a joke for padding. BTW, I called him after posting here. He's officially in the 12s. He ran a "twelve & a half"... some place on the eastern US. Asked him what he'd done: Looks like the same turbo as you & more weight savings.
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my stupid friend is thinking of buying a "newer" NA skyline... bleh.....
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Nope. Canadian GT racing @ Race City. I'd rather be rallying but we sold the rally car - too much money, this year.
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Old 05-27-2004, 01:51 AM   #17
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Yeah right

hey... i need motivation to get this darn car done... which reminds me i should take pics.. heh..
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So it's very noisy & he has only two aluminum seats, on the floor, w/ a joke for padding. Looks like the same turbo as you & more weight savings.
lol two alumn seats !! I will NEVER give up my air conditioning and I will never give up my comffy seats... or my md player... or my cd changer... or...

I think my car has a multiple personality disorder... lol... but which turbo is he running the GT28 or the GT30... they are vastly different turbos i would say hehe ...

coo that mean your coming down to calgary? lets meet up man! dinner
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lol two alumn seats !! I will NEVER give up my air conditioning and I will never give up my comffy seats... or my md player... or my cd changer... or...

I think my car has a multiple personality disorder... lol... but which turbo is he running the GT28 or the GT30... they are vastly different turbos i would say hehe ...

coo that mean your coming down to calgary? lets meet up man! dinner
hahaha i won't be giving up either of those either!!! my lowered truck i lived without a heater but not in the car...
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As far as I know, he is using the GT30 I got for him. But he had me spec some really weird custom AF ratios. It took Garret 3 months to get to my order, but only a week once on the bench. They are very busy ppl & very nice to deal with.

BTW, I gave him your e-mail addy HOK. I hope you don't mind. He's busy covering the election right now so you might not hear from him for awhile.

I'm sorry I cannot meet up w/ you for chow. Gotta stick w/ the team. We usually end up tweeking the car until they kick us out from the paddock. We're only there to race Sunday but will be there Sat night. I'll be hauling the trailer so I won't have a vehicle of my own to use. Next time, my friend. Thank-you.
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Old 05-28-2004, 11:45 AM   #21
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pshhhh bet its chicks again... all this team bull**** talk hahahaa
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Old 06-08-2004, 01:48 AM   #23
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This is interesting....
NHRA Drag Racing Elevation Correction Factors

http://www.tsrsoftware.com/nhra%20el...%20factors.htm

Budweiser Motorsports park near edmonton has an elevation of 2200feet.

According to the chart on this website if I was at sea level I'd be sitting with a 13.9 sec quartermile at 96mph.

Does anyone know if most of the quartermile tests performed on cars use this conversion table or tested at a very low altitude?
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Old 06-08-2004, 02:45 AM   #24
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[QUOTEDoes anyone know if most of the quartermile tests performed on cars use this conversion table or tested at a very low altitude? [/b][/quote]

I believe all the major magazines use some sort of correction in their figures.
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