whoa... i take everything back i said about the new legacy

[Benjamin Tang]

i was slumming at specialty today and lo and behold... in the lot was a 2.5 GT turbo sedan.

very black inside.... very red outside

dual exhausts... 17" wheels... automatic

no price was listed... prolly a good thing because i would have died from sticker shock imo

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[ThEdOg]

u were there 2day??? i was there 2~~ wut time did u go there??

[RC]

Originally posted by ThEdOg
u were there 2day??? i was there 2~~ wut time did u go there??

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what the hell u doing there!?

[ashtaron14]

I think Outbacks are cool too...

[Benjamin Tang]

i was there around 5-6pm.

there was a white wrx with a zerosports bodykit also. couldn't find the owner.

[Tricky]

Proudly made in Indianna.
'nuff said.

(steps into flame resistant suit).

[Benjamin Tang]

[Tricky]

Sorry, the base Legacy wagon that I saw at DD last thurs. was assembled in the US. The GT might be of Japanese manufacture.

[Benjamin Tang]

so sad

[Tricky]

what did you say about the new legacy anyways?

[Benjamin Tang]

[jackwei]

Originally posted by Tricky
what did you say about the new legacy anyways?

I remember he said he didn't want one cuz he saw a sexy Forester or something.

[420WRX]

Originally posted by Tricky
Proudly made in Indianna.
'nuff said.

(steps into flame resistant suit).

Hey atleast Subaru is honest and tags them.

[Benjamin Tang]

oh i said something like our version of the new legacy looked de-contented compared to the jdm model, and that the front bumper looked awful on the 2.5i base model i saw last week. the one this 2.5gt turbo had, with fog lights, was much better.

[Koyo]

All the Legacy are made in US. There's no way the price will be this low if they import just the GT verison from Japan. From a thread in the news & rumor section, the GT wagon is only 2 to 3 K more than a WRX wagon.

[Benjamin Tang]

i still don't know... the base 2.5i model was already just under $30k

[-S-]

Originally posted by Tricky
Proudly made in Indianna.
'nuff said.

(steps into flame resistant suit).

So? Camrys and Accords are made in North America too. You don't hear too much complaints about their build quality or reliability, unlike the questionable reliability and design of some other Japanese born middling jack-of-no-trade, master of none Japanese counterpart that is the focus of this forum.

Might want to step into a hard shell so the baseball bat won't hurt too much

[AllWheelDrift]

When I bought my car my dad made some comment like "I guess the build quality on the Impreza is better than that of the Legacy, being made in Japan and all..." The salesman said that surprisingly that doesn't seem to be the case, and that in his opinion the american made Legacy was of higher quality than the Japanese built Impreza.

[420WRX]

I think, and this is just my opinion, most modern NA production is primarily robotic due to the cost of labour here. So you either get a car made by robots or a car made by people who work as hard as robots.. your choice?

[Benjamin Tang]

if u go on the legacy forum and do a search, u will find that the american-made US legacys have more build quality problems than the japanese-made ones (most of the canadian legacys are from japan). i hope that will not be the case for the new model

tricky, lend me your flame suit when you're done...

[-S-]

Probably because Subaru suffers from questionable engineering, design, and quality control? Again, I bring up the various window problems. How hard is it to engineer a proper power window a bunch of different failures, streaks, grinds, clunks, and squeaks? What about the tranny? Clutch? Seats that don't worn out in a few years? Headliners that doesn't feel like fuzz glued on plastic? My ass crack is better carpeted than that.

Toyota/Honda doesn't seem to have any problems with their North American built cars. I mean, really, it's not like American autoworkers are all fat chumps and can't torque a bolt right or insert the ECU the right way, and that Japanese autoworkers are incredible trunk monkeys that leave secret messages the side of your radio with Engrish a la NSX style and voila, your car is nearing perfection just because it's built in the land of rising sun. My mom's '92 North American built Camry had build and materials than my '02 Subaru. That says a lot, imo, considering they're priced similarly, albeit with slightly different purposes in mind.

When it comes down to it, for the most part, these cars are just assembled, and not designed here. So yes, part of the quality problem should be laid at the door of the assembler, but when Imprezas have their large share of problems, it's the QC, design/engineering that should be reviewed.

Now, don't you go mentioning GMs and Fords.

[banman]

I've tried to bite my tongue on this one, but I don't think I can let it slide without comment.

Sunny, we all know you're a disgruntled former Subaru owner. But did it ever leave you stranded at the side of the road? Did the repairs cost you anything out of pocket?

As far as problems go, while a faulty power window is annoying, it is hardly on the same order of magnitude as, say, a coil-pack failure or wastegate self-destructions (not mentioning any brands in particular here). And, as I have pointed out before, all you get from reading message boards is anecdotes. A recent survey of German automotive club members ranked Audi at 26 and Volkswagen at 31 (out of 33) for customer satisfaction. Toyota was #1, Subaru #2, and Honda #3.

I've had my car in for the clutch shudder TSB, but to be honest, the clutch shudder was something I could live with, and (apparently) nothing that would compromise the normal life or operation of the car otherwise. But I didn't have to pay for it, either, so I can hardly complain. My car just rolled over the 2-year mark, and it has cost me nothing besides oil changes. And this from a car that has seen 5 TSD events, 3 Rally-X's, a full track weekend, and several auto-x events.

Yes, the tranny has had issues for some people, but then again there are people on this board who have raced competitively in SCCA and national-level rally events who are still running the stock tranny and clutch with no problems. Could Subaru have designed a better tranny? Absolutely. Is the one they used adequate for 95% of drivers/cars. I think so.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of interior quality, either. Most Volkswagen interiors I've sat in have been nice, true. But I've also sat in a lot of other cars in this price range and I can honestly say that the quality of materials and build tolerances are much better than most of the competition; for example, I sat in my sister's new ('04) Mustang and was appalled at the quality of plastics and panel gaps in that car. Obviously, though, when you have a car that spans $20,000 in price (<$25,000 for a TS to ~$45,000 for an STi), SOMEWHERE in that price range you will find a car with a nicer-looking interior. If a nice interior is all you care about, then there are obviously better cars out there for you. But there's a reason there are essentially no other AWD cars on the market at this entry-level price point, so one of the trade-offs is obviously the quality of the interior. You've decided AWD isn't worth that trade-off, and that's fine, for you.

As for why you still hang around on a (Vancouver) Subaru message board when you:
a) no longer own a Subaru
b) don't like Subarus
c) don't even live in Vancouver anymore
- we won't get into that.


I'm not out to start a flame-war; I just thought that the newer members on here would benefit from my perspective as a satisfied subie owner as much as they would from yours as a disgruntled one.

Originally posted by -S-
Probably because Subaru suffers from questionable engineering, design, and quality control? Again, I bring up the various window problems. How hard is it to engineer a proper power window a bunch of different failures, streaks, grinds, clunks, and squeaks? What about the tranny? Clutch? Seats that don't worn out in a few years? Headliners that doesn't feel like fuzz glued on plastic? My ass crack is better carpeted than that.

Toyota/Honda doesn't seem to have any problems with their North American built cars. I mean, really, it's not like American autoworkers are all fat chumps and can't torque a bolt right or insert the ECU the right way, and that Japanese autoworkers are incredible trunk monkeys that leave secret messages the side of your radio with Engrish a la NSX style and voila, your car is nearing perfection just because it's built in the land of rising sun. My mom's '92 North American built Camry had build and materials than my '02 Subaru. That says a lot, imo, considering they're priced similarly, albeit with slightly different purposes in mind.

When it comes down to it, for the most part, these cars are just assembled, and not designed here. So yes, part of the quality problem should be laid at the door of the assembler, but when Imprezas have their large share of problems, it's the QC, design/engineering that should be reviewed.

Now, don't you go mentioning GMs and Fords.