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Old 02-23-2001, 03:35 PM   #26
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25k is right in the middle of my price range. I think $35K is too far out, but kinda the bleeding edge. I guess after i get all the options and doo-dads added I guess it will be about $27.5K.

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Old 02-23-2001, 10:25 PM   #27
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Count me in that 59%! My first car was most certainly totalled. It was the other driver's fault, however; he failed to yield and was ticketed by the police.

It was a '68 VW beater-Beetle that ran like crap when I bought it, and ran like a peach a year later when it was destroyed. Boy, my parents were crazy to let me buy a death trap like that for a first car.
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Old 02-23-2001, 11:31 PM   #28
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Frankly on items that depreciate, like cars, I believe that they should be bought for cash. If you can't afford it, get what you can. But that kind of thinking has put me in the position where I can easily afford the WRX. Frankly it's a mid priced car, with some compromises that have been made to allow for the fine performance. It happens to be just about what I want, since I like little, fast wagons. And if BMW had put a decent engine in the 3 series wagon, I'd pay the $33K I suppose it would cost. But they don't and the only alternative is the S4 wagon, and while I could afford that, I happen to have a big dislike with Audi.

So the answer is that some of us can easily afford the car and consider it to be a bargain.
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Old 02-24-2001, 12:02 AM   #29
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I don't think $25,000 is a lot of money to spend on a WRX (then again, I spell you "y-o-u" ). It's all relative to what you want to do with the money.

My parents wouldn't let me get an RX-7 when I was close to 18, and I still thank them.
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Old 02-24-2001, 12:16 AM   #30
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Hi christurismohk!

You are right, $25K is mucho dinero for a car. I don't know about the other folks purchasing a WRX, but it is about $5K to $6K more than I had planned on spending for my Impreza. But when I went to the dealership to buy a RS, the salesman happen to mention the WRX coming soon. I did a little research, and concluded that this car is a very good value for the enthusiast driver, (great bang for the buck!).

Regarding the sub-thread of being a young driver with a fast car, I know that you may not want to hear people telling what to do, but I noticed that the advice is coming from enthusiast drivers like yourself, except who are now a little older. (I'm in my late 30's, and glad to have survived my teen-age years behind the wheel, with two spins, but no crashes!)

But, I'm not gonna tell you to not buy a WRX, because I think it is a safer car than most high performance vehicles on the road. However, I would recomend taking advantage of some local opportunities to learn the limits of your car in safe, controlled conditions. Perhaps you saw the socal forum thread called important dates . One of the dates is Sept 23rd (a Sunday) at the San Berdoo Sheriff's Driving School on a 200' * 400' polished and wet concrete skid pad. It is an event for Scoobies only. I would highly recomend that.

For the enthusiast driver, competition is wonderfull way to explore the limits of your vehicle, improve your skills, and meet folks with similiar interests. An inexpensive way to let it fly on the pavement is Auto-X'ing. Check out the local auto-x group,
solo2.com . If you are interested in flinging some dirt and gravel, it is inexpensive to go to a local rally-x . Learning the limits of your car and abilities will make you a safer driver.

Finally, I will be a little preachy, and ask you to do us all a favor, and always try to resist street races. All of us here have a strong interest in whether or not you street-race, as we will all pay higher insurance rates if WRX drivers get many speeding tickets, get in crashes, get hurt, hurt other people, etc. All of those events are much more likely to happen in any street competition. Let it all hang-out at the track, but keep it smooth and safe on the street!
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Old 02-24-2001, 03:42 AM   #31
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25k is more than half my yearly income - yes, it's a lot. I got my first car at TWENTY-THREE, and If I had one at 16 - I probably wouldn't have made 23. It is almost always a bad idea to make a fast car present to someone who has less than 5yr driving experience. You do need to learn somehow, but better to max your abilities out on a lesser car than discover harshly what they are on a beast. Do you know what the car feels like just before it breaks loose? Have you made a panic stop from 80? 60? HOw many times out of ten will yourace someone at a light if they "rev" you? The wisdom you show now is the regret you avoidr later. When I started driving, I didn't know what 0-60 or 1/4 mile times were. I didn't know if 200hp was a lot or not. But i also didn't know what understeer was - 2nd big accident. I didn't know what my emergency braking distances were - 1st accident. You'll make mistakes no matter what, but you can have a say now in the nature and severity of the consequences.
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Old 02-24-2001, 05:35 AM   #32
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I don't think it is fair to belittle people for having their parents purchase a car.

My parents did buy my first car for me. Actually, it was a hand-me-down '76 Civic CVCC. Then they decided that car was unsafe, and they bought me a '85 Civic DX (this was in 1988). Then for two years in grad school (1993-5), my parents paid the lease payments on a '93 Mazda 626 LX.

So for 8 years, I never had to pay a cent for a car or for insurance. Was I lucky?

Yes, my folks were wonderful to pay for that. Was I spoiled?

No, I always felt embarassed that I was dependent on my parent's generousity. Am I screwed up now?

No, my feet are on the floor, and my head is on my shoulders. Once I got my first real job, I cut the parental gravy train off -- with great pride, I may add.

Okay - they didn't get me a WRX. I question the parent's judgement if they don't get something slow/economical for their child. But what kid in their right mind would turn down such an offer?

Don't blame the young'uns. And don't stereotype - that's bad form.
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Old 02-24-2001, 06:22 AM   #33
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Finally! Good observation T-WRX. Although I'll be the first to admit that inexperienced drivers should probably be gently brought into more powerful cars, it definitely depends on the driver, the parental training, and certainly has nothing to do with age.

My wife just turned 22, but she's probably had much more driving experience than I have had at 25. Her dad taught her on a manual transmission with all kinds of different cars growing up (starting at age 13). She's on her third car at 22, and I feel much safer with her driving than me.

Does she like to push the limits of a given car? You bet. But in the right setting. Not on a crowded, twisty road on a Saturday night while it's raining. And has she earned her Porsche? You bet. She had her first college degree at age 20 and she works her a$$ off for what she has.

Again, inexperienced drivers should heed the warnings here, but on a case-by-case basis. It doesn't matter if you're 16 or 67 (the latter actually scares me on the road more), be careful and know your limits...and then get the car you want within those limits.

Off the soap box now...

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Old 02-24-2001, 10:26 AM   #34
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I have to say, I smell hypocracy here...I mean, any of you guys criticizing the young'uns because their parents are well-off enough to get them a car wouldn't be screaming foul if you were in their shoes.

Whenever I see a young kid with a beemer I just wish that they appreciate what they have. I don't hate 'em.

My first car was a '89 Chevy Caprice. Man, could that thing haul! Sometimes I question my parents' judgment, giving me that car. I mean, come on, it was a babe magnet! OH, did I mention it was maroon?

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Old 02-24-2001, 02:59 PM   #35
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ok, i think u guys are stereotyping a whole lot of people here(spoiled kids).
look ill admit it, im a spoiled rich boy.
but im not an ass, and im not snotty.
i appriciate all that my parents have given me. i may not have spent the money on my car, but it dosen't mean i haven't worked for it. i had to maintain a 3.5 gpa in high school and stay out of trouble to get my first car(98 zx2)and i also bussed tables to help pay for it, i didn't have to, but i did.
now im gonna be getting a new car, and yes my mom is putting down a big down payment, but i will be paying for everything else.
just because some of us are privilaged does not mean we dont appriciate what we have.
would ne of u turn down a free car? i think not...
so before u guys pass judgment, try to understand that not all rich kids are snotty asses like the ones u went to school with.
ok ill get off my soap box now.
i just hate it when people generalize a whole group of people.
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Old 02-24-2001, 06:40 PM   #36
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Actually, you didn't sound like a snotty spoiled rich kid until that last reply. :/

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Old 02-24-2001, 07:16 PM   #37
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Thank you Glenn,

Spoiled kids just don't get it...

...oh well whadddayagonnado?

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Old 02-24-2001, 07:26 PM   #38
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Just do your best, ZX2ner. You can't please everyone, so don't even try.
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Old 02-25-2001, 12:11 AM   #39
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oh well, at least i tried.
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Old 02-25-2001, 12:37 AM   #40
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Well $25K is alot. Its more than most of my co workers make in a year, and a whole hell of alot more than I can make in my current job in one year.
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Old 02-25-2001, 07:53 AM   #41
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Dude you guys are harsh. Is it jealousy? ZX2ner, I'm with you man. I surely didn't have money growing up, but I was bought my first car...an '85 Plymouth Turismo.

Sounds like you've got it in perspective though. You appreciate it and you know how to work to contribute.

I don't think you sound spoiled at all.

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Old 02-25-2001, 01:11 PM   #42
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No jealousy here -- I was fortunate enough to be given a new Sentra when I was 16 (being an only child has its advantages sometimes). Several years and four accidents later, it was not so perfect any more. I was glad to trade it in for an Impreza.

Think long term. Expect to make some mistakes -- that's how you learn. Five years down the line, there may be something far more desirable (EVO 10?), and you'll be glad you saved your money.

Also, if you are serious about becoming a really fast driver, you have to learn one step at a time. You are not going to be able to concentrate on slip angles and stuff like that if you are also trying to learn how to drive stick and how to merge with traffic. One step at a time. Learn how to handle a rolling car first, then graduate to the world of power-on oversteer and four wheel drifting. There's enough to learn to keep you busy and interested for a lifetime.
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Old 02-25-2001, 03:15 PM   #43
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ok, time for keith to pop in.
Jealous am i? Yes. THe car I got from my parents was a 86 chevy nova with 140,000 miles on it. Not a babe magnet, but I liked it It ran..and it got me from school to home and sometimes got me to the mall Well it got me to work one day and some idiot decided that i didnt need that car nemore, and crashed into me (totaly her fault, she was driving through parking stalls and hit me from the side)
From there <u>I</u> bought an 87 intgera and I treated it like it was a 911. The car was a pos but I didnt want ppl eating in it and I really treated it like it was a nice car, why? cuz I paid for it. I was broke as hell and every dime I made went to that car.
Now that I have established my self, I was able to buy myself a RS. Granted I bought this car when i was 20, I had full respect for a car becaue I paid for it. Now its time for wrx and that car is gonna get treated like its a f40!
Whats the point in this story?
a. like all my other stories, I have to much free time.
b. pay for ur own car. its much better..its cool to know that YOU paid for it and YOU can dowith it as u please. If I feel like rally-xing my car till it falls appart i can do so.
C. If you start out with crap, u appreciate the better things. If you start out with a wrx, what the hell are you gonna want next?
D. Work in computers so you can buy urself nice toys while ur young My wrx is going to be my second new car and I am only 22
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Old 02-25-2001, 03:44 PM   #44
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Keith - maybe you weren't a spoiled brat - but now you sound like a spoiled adult.
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Old 02-25-2001, 03:56 PM   #45
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I was lucky enough to be bought a new 93 Toyota RWD pickup after a year of having my license. It snowed like crazy in CT that year, and I learned how to drive with that wonderfully underpowered little five speed. A lot of my friends at prep school got really kick ass cars...one in particular got a Lebaron, which he promptly destroyed, then totalled a new jeep grand cherokee. I did my share of beating on my toyota, most of which was not exactly my fault (Deer on highway, guy in my lane...stuff like that), but could have been avoided with more experience. Bottom line, although it might have been cool to have a really nice car in high school and college, I feel I actually learned how to drive, how to shift smoothly (you gotta go through those gears quick to get any kind of acceleration with that great little truck), and how to drive close to, but not beyond the limits of the vehicle. Now I'm lucky enough to be in a situation where my parents will co-sign...I'm in dental school, and my parents help out. I know I'm damn lucky to be able to get this WRX at 24, but I figured since we need a car now (lease is up on our jeep), I would get the best thing I could; hopefully the WRX will last 10 years like my dad's MY91 Legacy Turbo Sports Sedan, 360K+ miles no major work done. Besides I have no problem being a Dentist and having a $25000, car; I think an S4 Avant is a bit nicer, but not $15+ nicer.

Anyway, I guess what all of this rambling boils down to, is this, you get what you can in your situation. I'm not going to be sorry that I was able to get a new truck at 17 while some people didn't get anything. And I'm not going to get mad that someone got a new Land Cruiser at 16. I just know I'm lucky that I can worry about these things, and not where my next meal is coming from.

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Old 02-25-2001, 06:26 PM   #46
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Hey nothing was givin to me ever,my family is not even close to being well off, but unlike most ppl who complain about not being able to do anyhting about it, I did. Am I spoiled? hell no,9-5 job and 8 credits of school at night(which I also pay for). I just like cars and I have good taste
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Old 02-25-2001, 06:38 PM   #47
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A lot of my friends at prep school got really kick ass cars...one in particular got a Lebaron...
Haha, that's the first time I've ever heard anyone call a LeBaron a "kick ass car!"
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Old 02-25-2001, 06:40 PM   #48
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A word of caution to young drivers:
With a person 16-18 years of age at the wheel, the vehicle is 3 times more likely to be involved in a fatal accident.
Multiply by a factor of 3 again for each additional person in the car.
Multiply by a factor of 3 again if it's past 10:00pm, and by a factor of 6 if it's past midnight.

These statistics were published in Time Magazine a few months ago. Scares the crap out of me when I see younger drivers on the road. I highly recommend getting your parents to pay for serious driving school if you have less than 3 years driving experience, especially if you may be getting a high performance car.
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Old 02-25-2001, 06:49 PM   #49
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I worry more about suv drivers than young drivers
and old ppl, they cant drive either. I am not really that worried about younger drivers...they havent grown into stupid habits yet.
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Xio,

That IS scary. Something for me to remember if I ever end up with kids.

On the other side of things, it's all kinda relative and I'll tell you which age group scares me more:

"From 1984 to 1994, there was more than a 60% increase in older driver fatalities and a 54% jump in older passenger fatalities, while the overall population showed a decline in vehicle-related deaths."

-Research Today

"Statistics also show that older drivers are more likely than either middle age or younger drivers to be in two-vehicle accidents. And they are more often involved in side impact accidents, often the result of an illegal left turn."

-Brandeis University Study

http://www.usatoday.com/snapshot/news/nsnap173.htm

So basically what they're saying is that even though younger drivers are a danger to themselves and the people in the car with them, they aren't near as much of a danger to the rest of us (as drivers) as the elderly are.

Just be careful out there peoples...no matter what age you are. And please don't stereotype a group without the facts.

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