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Old 06-11-2004, 06:19 PM   #1
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Question srt-4 really that great?

Well I had an encounter this afternoon... a black neon srt-4...

Amazingly I left him behind... I guess it's either

a. the handling on those SUCK
b. the driver didn't know how to drive (not likely)
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c. he was a srt-4 wannabe (doubt it - looked like an SRT-4)

I am NOT turbo charged and the only mods I have are weight, tires, and an intake...

Looking at the website for those things they have 260 HP and even more TQ... what's the deal with that????

The guy was probably 75+ lbs more than me too...
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Old 06-11-2004, 06:42 PM   #2
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An SRT-4 should bury you in a straight line.
0-60 5.8s and 1/4 mile in 14 and change with trap of over 99mph
Aren't best in the twisties but not bad according to reviews. What was the scenario? Maybe he's just breaking it in.
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Old 06-11-2004, 07:10 PM   #3
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An SRT-4 should bury you in a straight line.
0-60 5.8s and 1/4 mile in 14 and change with trap of over 99mph
Aren't best in the twisties but not bad according to reviews. What was the scenario? Maybe he's just breaking it in.
I' rather not say what the scenario was since it wasn't exactly a "legal" scenario... but let's just say LOTS of twisters
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Old 06-11-2004, 07:26 PM   #4
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I went to the dodge dealership today and took one for a test drive to see what they are all about. Heres my thought:

Car seems very cheap inside, but I guess they are trying to keep the cost down. Power windows in the front and manual in the back. Shifting is very sloppy. Seats are to narrow, they dont fit my back at all. And the seatbelts are made for little people as the hookup is just about under your butt.

As for driving, the car is very solid on the road. I would like to see if they stay that way after say 50 000kms. There seemed to be quite abit of turbo lag. 1st gear is very short same as the WRX. It pulls good but doesnt feel like it is pulling any harder then the WRX. The brakes for the car are weak, for that much power they should have added stronger brakes.

All in all its a cheap car made to have some performance and thats exactly what it is. When I got back into my WRX it felt like I was getting into a Mercedes, the fit and finish is so much nicer. The salesman that went with me was new at the dealership, said it was his first week. He didnt say anything to me when I was bagging the living hell outta the car but you could tell he was a little scared by my driving. And I right out told him I wanna know what this thing can do or I wouldnt even consider buying it.

So my opinion of the car if you want cheap performance and dont care about any comfort then go for it. But I know one thing I sure wouldnt be trading in my WRX for one.

Thats my 2 cents.............

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Old 06-11-2004, 09:02 PM   #5
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My 2 cents would be

neon:

styling: yuck
engine: plagued with problems and always will be
peformance: pretty good (esp. for a cheap car)
value: REALLY good (unless you have a million problems like all the other neons)

Overall - what's the point??? spend the extra lil' bit and get something decent

verdict:

IT'S STILL A NEON!
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Old 06-12-2004, 12:30 PM   #6
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oh....and I spoke to the manager and he told me because the car is an R/T and has racing technology, you can bag the hell outta it and they will cover anything that goes wrong with it on warranty, any other car they won't, but because it has R/T on it then they will.

My big thing would be with the car is like any other neon are they gonna be plagued with problems down the road. And you know these cars are gonna be driven hard.
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Old 06-12-2004, 01:24 PM   #7
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My big thing would be with the car is like any other neon are they gonna be plagued with problems down the road. And you know these cars are gonna be driven hard.
Exactly my thoughts.

You know what be really funny???? If these SRTs are like the old neons with the paint peeling... how funny would it be to rub that in the face of someone thinking they have the sweetest car...
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Old 06-12-2004, 01:44 PM   #8
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You know what be really funny???? If these SRTs are like the old neons with the paint peeling... how funny would it be to rub that in the face of someone thinking they have the sweetest car...

Careful now. Subie owners razzing someone over paint quality brings to mind that saying about glass houses and stones
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Old 06-12-2004, 02:46 PM   #9
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I'm not razzing anyone about it... count how many neons you drive by that half the paint is missing... it's funny to be honest
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Old 06-12-2004, 02:54 PM   #10
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Careful now. Subie owners razzing someone over paint quality brings to mind that saying about glass houses and stones
My wrx is 2 years old with 50 000kms on it and not a spec has peeled off...........knock on wood though........
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Old 06-12-2004, 05:07 PM   #11
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Careful now. Subie owners razzing someone over paint quality brings to mind that saying about glass houses and stones


Amen Brotha!!!!
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Old 06-12-2004, 05:11 PM   #12
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the SRT-4 is a pretty quick car. decent handling too. i doubt a stock RS with bolt ons can hang with one.. even with a turbo its questionable. they can hold their own against sti's and modded wrx's.
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Old 06-12-2004, 06:18 PM   #13
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SRT-4 's are slow...
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Old 06-12-2004, 06:23 PM   #14
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slow compared to what? for a 30K car they are not slow... imo of course
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Old 06-12-2004, 06:24 PM   #15
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the SRT-4 is a pretty quick car. decent handling too. i doubt a stock RS with bolt ons can hang with one.. even with a turbo its questionable. they can hold their own against sti's and modded wrx's.
they are quick... BUT it wasn't power-wise that I beat him (that'd never happen) it was more of a case of he wasn't that good of a driver and I outhandled him COMPLETELY.
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Old 06-13-2004, 01:39 PM   #16
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they are slow compared to me...
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Old 06-13-2004, 02:43 PM   #17
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yeah... and how many cars is as fast as yours on the streets? assuming you can get it tuned. i can't think of too many.
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Old 06-13-2004, 06:50 PM   #18
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what you mean if i can get it tuned... ?

but i was trying to egg some srt owners on... I know there was (is) that big dumb thread in beyond about STI and neons... seeing if they would post here.

i think they are very fast... but its also just as fast as a mazda speed with just a boost controller...

also I believe that neons actually handle pretty good... they do very well in tight corners..

but we will see at the track this year... whens the next beyond track meet?
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Old 06-14-2004, 12:18 AM   #19
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not sure. check with Fuji, he is usually up to date with th track day info.
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Old 06-14-2004, 08:00 PM   #20
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Sounds like you guys know just about nothing about the second gen Neons and the SRT. Not even close to what you guys have mentioned so far. Do some research.
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Who what when and where are you referring your post to buster...
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Old 06-14-2004, 09:49 PM   #22
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Sounds like you guys know just about nothing about the second gen Neons and the SRT. Not even close to what you guys have mentioned so far. Do some research.
If we aren't giving the SRT-4 enough credit for it's ability to go fast, well I'm sure a stock SRT-4 would roast my WRX from a roll. As long as the SRT-4 has enough traction to put down their ~230whp to the front wheels then there's no reason for that car to be slower then a WRX since:

a) it has a more powerful and torquey engine
b) it's about 200lbs lighter
c) less drivetrain losses

I've been in a SRT-4 before, and honestly 1st and 2nd gear wasn't too impressive, but I guess the car is boost limited to 8 psi in those gears. It's punching it from 3rd gear which is really the car's appeal. The car does come with some of the best OEM tires I've seen (BFG KDWs), zero camber, and a LSD to make the most of the FWD. With those tires I'm sure the car has decent cornering power since they are very grippy tires, but the compromise the engineers made by giving the car zero front camber to maximize stright line grip hurt ultimate cornering power. Grassroots Motorsports Magazine raced their SRT-4 in auto-xes and they really struggled with the stock suspension setup, with bad understeer and punishing the outside edges of their r-compound tires. In the extreme handling exercise that is auto-x, the powerful SRT-4 is much trickier to drive then the WRX, since smoking the front tires out of corners is a very real problem, where the WRX is idiotproof. (Incidentally, the SRT-4 is in the same D-stock class as the WRX, and they were beat by WRX's.)

Frankly if there's a Neon that really appeals to me it's the 1st generation Neon ACR. Basically a stripped Neon, with performance suspension, chassis braces and camber plates! What could be cooler then a turn-key race car from the dealer.
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Old 06-15-2004, 12:17 AM   #23
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If we aren't giving the SRT-4 enough credit for it's ability to go fast, well I'm sure a stock SRT-4 would roast my WRX from a roll. As long as the SRT-4 has enough traction to put down their ~230whp to the front wheels then there's no reason for that car to be slower then a WRX since:

a) it has a more powerful and torquey engine
b) it's about 200lbs lighter
c) less drivetrain losses

I've been in a SRT-4 before, and honestly 1st and 2nd gear wasn't too impressive, but I guess the car is boost limited to 8 psi in those gears. It's punching it from 3rd gear which is really the car's appeal. The car does come with some of the best OEM tires I've seen (BFG KDWs), zero camber, and a LSD to make the most of the FWD. With those tires I'm sure the car has decent cornering power since they are very grippy tires, but the compromise the engineers made by giving the car zero front camber to maximize stright line grip hurt ultimate cornering power. Grassroots Motorsports Magazine raced their SRT-4 in auto-xes and they really struggled with the stock suspension setup, with bad understeer and punishing the outside edges of their r-compound tires. In the extreme handling exercise that is auto-x, the powerful SRT-4 is much trickier to drive then the WRX, since smoking the front tires out of corners is a very real problem, where the WRX is idiotproof. (Incidentally, the SRT-4 is in the same D-stock class as the WRX, and they were beat by WRX's.)

Frankly if there's a Neon that really appeals to me it's the 1st generation Neon ACR. Basically a stripped Neon, with performance suspension, chassis braces and camber plates! What could be cooler then a turn-key race car from the dealer.
if you read the thread. credit was definitely given to the srt-4. most of us here know what that car is capable of.

i don't have a problem with the car. in fact i think its a great car. just some of the ego driven local srt-4 owners.... definitely have a bone to pick with them...
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Old 06-15-2004, 12:38 AM   #24
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engine: plagued with problems and always will be
This might have been the case in the past, but you might want to do some reading before you put things down as facts. A write up in SCC showed a complete teardown of the engine. It is built remarkably(sp) well. Check out this link for the write up and some detailed pics.
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr...eon/index.html
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i don't have a problem with the car. in fact i think its a great car. just some of the ego driven local srt-4 owners.... definitely have a bone to pick with them...
For sure I've seen it first hand. At one of our local Suby meets, we were all parked together in a big parking lot, and we were all chatting outside and two SRT-4's showed up. They didn't stop to talk to us, just slowly circled where we parked, then proceeded to do a burnout, and rip away out of the parking lot to show us up or something.

I think the problem is that generally most SRT-4 owners are very much younger then Suby owners, and don't tend to be as mature. (Not that Suby owners are old )
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