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View Poll Results: Rate your driving style if you've had a HD failure
Take full use of the rpm band all the time 7 28.00%
Take full use on the rpm band fairly often 8 32.00%
Every once and while some aggressive driving 8 32.00%
Keep it under 4K unless needed 2 8.00%
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Old 06-12-2004, 11:29 PM   #1
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Default Guys with blown headgaskets, rate your driving style

My wife's 98 Legacy GT auto has crossed 80K miles and a headgasket failure always seems to be in the back on mind. We bought the car used back in 2001 with 59K miles. The car has performed flawlessly except for the torque bind problem.

Always, I'm just curious to what kind of driving styles you have and if you've had a headgasket failure. I'm just curious to see if there's any sort of relation between harder driving and HD failures.

My wife drives the car 95% of the time and she rarely takes the car to over 4000rpms. She's a total cruiser in the car and isn't a fast driver. When I drive the car, I'm very tame with it too unless I need to pass on the highway.
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Old 06-13-2004, 01:43 AM   #2
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I think my first one was really due to a crappy dealer that messed up the coolant flush/fill.

It was fine going in (~96K miles) but bubbled when I got it back.
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Old 06-13-2004, 05:31 AM   #3
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I popped one at 90k. It was after I learned to drive, so you can assume 'agressive'.

I usually run the engine from 1.5k up to 2.25k when I'm driving normally. If I need it, I'll go up to 5.25k. I rarely go over 5.25k.

Erm, I forgot to mention, sometimes I downshift excessivly. I've run my RPM up as high as 8,500 RPM on this engine. Unfortunatly, when I ran it up that high, it was in a desperate attempt to slow down before hitting a guardrail.
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Old 06-13-2004, 10:08 AM   #4
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my driving depends a lot on the condition of the road.. on long straight roads i keep the RPM under 4k.. on winding roads (mountain pass) RPMs will go up to as far as 6k.. but not for extended amount of time..
i blown my engine when i first learned to do circles with the car.. now i dont do that anymore.. but i do tackle corners
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Old 06-13-2004, 07:23 PM   #5
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at that millage its going to happen. I've seen it on a bunch of scoobies around 70-80k on it... Mine did after i got the car from my sis (who was a cautious slow driver) and it blew on me after having it for 4 months.
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Old 06-14-2004, 10:50 AM   #6
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i guess you can say my motor is run around the redline quite a bit. i haven't blown mine yet...don't know about the previous owner though as i got the car with 90k+ miles...now it has 115k miles. yeah i drive a lot of miles when you consider of the 27 months i've had it...12 were spent parked in my yard while i repaired it from being totalled.
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Old 06-14-2004, 12:43 PM   #7
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i guess you can say my motor is run around the redline quite a bit. i haven't blown mine yet...don't know about the previous owner though as i got the car with 90k+ miles...now it has 115k miles. yeah i drive a lot of miles when you consider of the 27 months i've had it...12 were spent parked in my yard while i repaired it from being totalled.
I am going to guess you have a 2.2L??

If so, you are not at much risk, it is more related to the 2.5L engines.
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Old 06-14-2004, 12:47 PM   #8
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I have the 2.2L so I dont worry about it much either, but why is the 2.5L more prone to gead gasket failure?
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Old 06-14-2004, 01:30 PM   #9
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floorboared everywhere i go! jk, but people tell me I have a lead foot. And, I havn't had any head gasket failure.
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Old 06-14-2004, 02:49 PM   #10
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Quote:
Originally posted by Chi_San
I popped one at 90k. It was after I learned to drive, so you can assume 'agressive'.

I usually run the engine from 1.5k up to 2.25k when I'm driving normally. If I need it, I'll go up to 5.25k. I rarely go over 5.25k.
for me its 2k -3k and then next gear

if its under 2 then it gurgles and above 3 it just hauls ass

and about that 8.500, i thought the redline is 7ish
bu tit just may be that you have the jdm 3rd gen 1995
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Old 06-14-2004, 03:34 PM   #11
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Yea, i really dont see how you could have gotten your car to 8500.

I just got a 98 GT 5 speed as a back up car, I love the thing, but anything under 2.25 and the car is almost undrivable. I try to stay in the 3k range and when cruising i let it go down to 2500.

What is the parts cost for the HG? I am guessing about 400, and I bet labor is what, 1k to 1400?

I need to do a compression test, but I think the HG on my 92 Turbo is shot.
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Old 06-14-2004, 06:10 PM   #12
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What is the parts cost for the HG? I am guessing about 400, and I bet labor is what, 1k to 1400?
I believe most people have paid in the neighborhood of $700-800 for a side and an additional $400 if both sides had to be done.

I called my dealership to ask how much a HD repair would be on a 98 GT because I heard the failures were quite common and he acted terribly confused and said he'd couldn't remember a single 2.5 with a HD failure. I told him it was quite common and he said his database showed no 2.5 HD repairs in 3 years, but that the shop rate was around $750.

Odd huh?
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Old 06-14-2004, 08:04 PM   #13
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for me its 2k -3k and then next gear

if its under 2 then it gurgles and above 3 it just hauls ass

and about that 8.500, i thought the redline is 7ish
bu tit just may be that you have the jdm 3rd gen 1995
Yeah, it redlines right at 6,000 rpm. =\ I found out that by dropping the tranny into, say, second while going 60, you can get the RPM to go waaaaaay up.

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I called my dealership to ask how much a HD repair would be on a 98 GT because I heard the failures were quite common and he acted terribly confused and said he'd couldn't remember a single 2.5 with a HD failure. I told him it was quite common and he said his database showed no 2.5 HD repairs in 3 years, but that the shop rate was around $750.
That's pathetic. A shop here replace both HG's, and some valves for $300. o.O;

I thought the 2.2l had the HG problems?
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Old 06-14-2004, 11:23 PM   #14
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well I think the 2.2 turbo has a problem when it gets high miles, but its not common at all for the n/a 2.2.

My mom got a legacy when they first came out, it had a 2.2 and we put over 200k on it. Never a major problem.
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Old 06-15-2004, 12:13 AM   #15
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I have the 2.2L so I dont worry about it much either, but why is the 2.5L more prone to gead gasket failure?
Probably a worse HG, less support from the cylinder (the bore is bigger on the 2.5L), a higher CR, more power.

Who all knows, but if SOA knows, they are reeeeaaaaallllllll quiet about it.

Also the earlier 2.5L had front and rear crank seal issues as well as the rear oil seperator plate leaked if it was the plastic one.
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Old 06-15-2004, 02:33 AM   #16
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It depends on if it is a stage 1 or a stage 2 EJ22. The Stage 2 is DOHC and apparently has more problems than the stage 1, which just happens to be SOHC.
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Old 06-16-2004, 11:00 AM   #17
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My local Subaru dealer wanted $1400-1600 to do mine. The difference was if resurfacing was needed.
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