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Old 02-12-2001, 01:36 PM   #1
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Although I would love to believe your results, I just can't see how you could beat a GT in a N/A Impreza even with the mods you described. I have a hard time beating Camaros and Vettes with a turbo'ed car. Don't get me wrong, I think it's awesome if you could do what you describe but I think we need some hard numbers first.
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Old 02-12-2001, 01:48 PM   #2
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Whats your take on the JVS torque chip, Im thinking about getting one for my NA car, its a 99 with a cat back stromung, ISR intake and um...yeah. Thats it so far as the engine goes. I would like UD pulleys and an oil cooler...clutch, flywheel etc eventually.
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Old 02-12-2001, 01:52 PM   #3
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oooooo that subie gal comment should put u in the dog house.
I am wih dead-eye, but i am naive so i give u the benefit of the doubt
In other news I beat a viper GTS-R today.
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Old 02-12-2001, 01:55 PM   #4
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I knew there would be non believers. What's going to back this up will be...friday night . I gotta see if that was a fluke. It left the line like a jack rabbit, and never looked back. He had to CATCH me! It wasn't like Kevin's turbo or the JCS wagon. Those things leave and just keep on walking! N/A probably won't reach that level up here.
Save your money for the torque chip II. It'll do ya whether you have N/A or turbo.
It's a nice setup.

Gary

P.S. Camaros and vettes are faster than GT's anyway. Keeping up with them in your car is a real achievement. I'm not dumb enough to race a WS6 in this car. At least not yet. Right now this thing is very good for stoplights .

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Old 02-12-2001, 01:57 PM   #5
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Guys, there are many iterations of a Mustang GT. The slowest in recent history were the 96-98 4.6L SOHC, they were actually low 15s cars... damn slow, and I can imagine some lightly modded RS' taking them, especially since the RS should have an advantage at the line.

The 99- 4.6L SOHC is considerably faster. Obviously if it was an older Fox chassis mustang (79-93) then it could have been anything including worn out & tired.

We also can't overlook the possibility that the other driver... well, sucked.
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Old 02-12-2001, 02:07 PM   #6
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If Subie Gal drove this clutch, I'd be very impressed....

u wanna talk about clutches?? and one that's hard to drive???

let's see u drive this car... very tricky clutch!!!! but a hell of a car to drive!!!!!

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what's that??? ohhhh... u havent driven a 22B??? hmmm.... you are one to talk then eh??? <IMG SRC="http://www.harrythecat.com/Graphics/k/exclaim1.gif" border=0>

bring it... i'll drive ya car... with my high heels on!!!

hehehehe dog houuuuuse!
woof woof baby!!

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Old 02-12-2001, 02:14 PM   #7
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ROFLMAO!
Oh man did you screw up there.
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Old 02-12-2001, 02:16 PM   #8
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HAHAHAHA!! That's funny.

Sorry, nothing constructive to add.. just funny.

Oh yeah... some numbers would be nice.
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Old 02-12-2001, 02:20 PM   #9
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I was just about to say...I definitely believe you. I took the jump on a Mustang GT and KNEW it had to be the 96-98. It was a convertible too, but at least he had the manual going for him. Man, that was a rush...until I realized who I beat.

The '99 "fix" made the pushrod V6 faster in my experiences...like high 14s. The V8 was boosted too.

As for the old 'Stangs, it's a common "kill story" which involves one of the early 80s "5.0s" with the quad-headlight. Those were/are pretty darn slow, and with the abuse they've taken, I'd be surprised to hear of one winning anything.

Anyway, good job with your new mods.

And remember: speeding pays...your lawyer. :\
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Old 02-12-2001, 02:20 PM   #10
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You know I said that just to get the rise out of you. I like a woman with fire under her butt . Still wuv me? Seriously though, that thing is unmerciful. Maybe my bad knee hates it (no joke, got scars to prove it ). I love playing "battle of the sexes" with you, Jamie . I forgot about those 22b's having a ceramic clutch.

"WHIP!" OWWWW!!! YES MA'AM!!! "WHIP"..aaagh!


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Old 02-12-2001, 02:47 PM   #11
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hehehehe ok.. ok... 1 more for u then i am done...
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now be good!! i am watchin u!!

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Old 02-12-2001, 03:16 PM   #12
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Gary - I am sooooo disappointed that you actually didn't do the flywheel while the tranny was out!!!

And don't ever think you are gonna keep up with my turbo while you are NA up here with those mods you mentioned - I got the same Torque Chip II, pulley, fuel pump, intake, exhaust and cats - WITH A TURBO and 12 lb FLYWHEEL IN BETWEEN ALL THAT!

You aren't planning anything I don't already got

Besides, what happened to the writeup you were gonna do on the hour long test drive you took my car on? You sure sounded like a turbo convert to me!

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Old 02-12-2001, 03:31 PM   #13
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You can absolutely get a 96-98 Mustang GT. Especially the AUTO transmission ones, especially from stop light to stop light

Never fails. Those are some slow mustangs, and the auto ATE power. But i wouldnt really mess with the newer gen ones. Ford Really worked out some kinks from the later generation.

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Old 02-12-2001, 03:50 PM   #14
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Awww, promote your own car, Larry . J/K The ride was still fun, but I don't know what I could tell these people to get the point across. Yes, it was driveable. Yes, it was faster than my car. Yes, it handled better (happy now ?). I don't really consider myself too far away from your car in terms of a build up. Now it's "prepped" for me if I want to go turbo or N/A. Heck, maybe I'll do nitrous just to stay different . I've done a LOT of thinking about a 2 stage 75 shot.

But what could I really tell these people about your car? Afterall, you're the owner! It would eat up a lot of things. But, if any turbo monster deserves praise, it's that dang wagon. Look how driveable THAT thing is! Your car wasn't eating up a built 959 porche at the track, either. Neither was mine. I'm ALMOST scared of it, but he offered to let me drive it the next time at second creek. I'm not scared of your car. Fun and scary are two different things!
"Zippy" would be the best way to describe yours. It's nice, but you can't shake a stick at 18psi. Neither can my N/A build! Respect goes to that car, Mark's, and THEN yours. You've all three rebuilt your trannies! All I can HOPE for is to give a 5psi turbo a good run for it's money. How about we place a bet that I beat your times in your own car at the next autoX ? Better yet, I'll do it cold. hehehehehe....

I wish I could finish these things all at once. Let's say this whole thing at the next autoX has to be on street tires. That's only if I'm to beat your times in my car. Coors is a very smooth surface, so you can run your slicks if you want. Heck, I'll contradict myself and advise it. You didn't get to run them against Cliff. This will also be a better surface. I don't want to out run your car...I want the white BMW that beats EVERYBODY!

Gary

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Old 02-13-2001, 12:34 AM   #15
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Post New parts review...now a mustang "killer" in N/A form

Hehehehe. I know I'm gonna get flamed for that . I just got my car upgraded this weekend at JC Sports. After my clutch went south (as in: dirt nap!) we kicked around ideas on upgrades. The final ticket was a ACT pressure plate on a stock disk(like ImprezaRs.com), upgraded JCS fuel pump, lightweight stock pulley, and the solid STI tranny mount. This goes with my short shifter, Torque Chip, intake and 2 1/2 inch exhaust VERY well. The car pulls from idle to redline. It's not just "a bit better" than stock, either. This is car has just been upgraded from "quick" to "fast". It's not scary, unless you're the passenger and I'm driving .

The clutch is MUCH stiffer than stock. It's like an on/off switch. If Subie Gal drove this clutch, I'd be very impressed . My leg is sore, but adjusting. Parking is not that bad once you get used to it. Since we made a whole bunch of upgrades at once, it's difficult to say what made the biggest improvement. I used to have to measure my power output by clutch slippage, but not any more . The underdrive pulley gave good power in the midrange. 3 pounds of mass off of the motor was a good thing. The fuel pump gave it all the fuel it needs at the moment. It pulls from idle to redline pretty effortlessly. The solid tranny mount was a big improvement, too. The motor doesn't even move now!

The solid tranny mount probably changed the driveability just as much as the clutch. Not only does more power go to the wheels, but the front axles don't torque up and down as much. I believe this lends itself to the better cornering it has. On full throttle corner exits, the car rotates better than it used to. It slides out more evenly than before.

Now the good part . I killed a GT Rustang after all the mods were done. I egged him on at the light, and had a car length on him by second gear. We were even in fourth, but beating him like I did felt soooooooo good . this car is wicked from 0-60. now. It's not a turbo. But for the N/A faithful, I'm going in the right direction. It needs a flywheel before I try it against Larry's car. The goal is still to give a 5psi turbo a good run for it's money, before I cave in to the boost side of the force . I'll think about my next upgrade when this round wears off. Right now, it has every conceivable bolt-on except for a header, cats, flywheel, and TB. I don't consider cams a "bolt on". Stay tuned !

Gary
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