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Old 01-31-2001, 02:01 PM   #1
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Post CRUNCHY Gears, anybody else?

I seem to be experiencing a very crunchy gear situation. My car is 8 months old, has about 8000 miles on it, and I do not abuse my transmission. (Although recently I have noticed myself resting my hand on the shifter)

My question, since this is the first winter I'm experiencing with my car, is it normal to have really crunchy gears in the cold? I'm talking 1st gear feels like I'm pushing through a bag of peanuts, 2nd isn't to bad, but third is getting worse and worse, and it wasn't like that a month ago.

Is this normal? I know our tranny is not exactly the best made, but the car is only 8 months old! I'd hate to have to replace the synchros after this long. (which brings up another Q, is this a wear item, or can it be covered under warranty)

I don't know what to do <:sniff:> Help!
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Old 01-31-2001, 02:15 PM   #2
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Mine is just like that. From a stop, 1st. gear is like mashing through peanuts like you said, getting it through the gate from 2-3 is crappy, 3-4 is the only good part. I've had my car for 2 years, and it's like rowing through butter in the summer. Right now here it is 5-8degrees celcius, so I don't expect it to shift that bad! I'm making my appointment, but I'm suspecting it's just very, very moody and I have to live with it.

It should get covered fine under the 60,000km warranty for the tranny. Could be badly cut synchros. ack! I'll try to remember and post how it turns out
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Old 01-31-2001, 02:34 PM   #3
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Thanks Ken,

Yeah, in the summer, and on some days, it is the finest shifting tranny out there (well, almost), but as of late it's been really yucky. Possibly to do with the amount of moisture?

I don't know, if it is the temp, I hope it warms up soon.
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Old 01-31-2001, 02:45 PM   #4
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My third is crunchy. It doesn't grind, but there is a little more feedback in the shifter than putting into any other gears. If I shift into the 3rd after putting in neutral for 2/3 sec, then it's fine.
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Old 01-31-2001, 02:46 PM   #5
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It's a pretty common problem. I've learned to double-clutch/blip-throttle for most shifts, and at a stop, I always shift 2-1 to get it into 1st without crunch. The gearbox, and it's basic lameness is (other than money) the thing that's keeping me turbo-less for now. if the damn thing can't get into 1st smoothly when the car is stopped and idling - well, what can it do under serious power? Break, that's what.
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Old 01-31-2001, 06:48 PM   #6
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Even at 5-8 C you should see some improvements from swapping in synthetic gear oil. I would try that first before you take it to the dealer - make sure you get a no-friction-modifier gear lube and you will shift more smoothly. But the RS transmission is still pretty crude compared to a lot of other small imports out there and even with synthetic the extremes of temperature will bring out its flaws.
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Old 01-31-2001, 08:04 PM   #7
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be carefull, maybe the fork CP shift in the gear box have extrem wear, I have broken two of them, 1st and 2cd, and 3th-4th, with only 30000 km, so take care of your tranny, or going in reverse at full speed.. or hard launches with a lightened flywheel and ACT clucth...
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Old 01-31-2001, 10:59 PM   #8
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The crunchy gear problem surfaced when my MY00 was 2 months old. The dealer first replaced all the synchros in July, then rebuilt the tranny in September right before I installed my turbo.

It was so bad I couldn't put it into 1st at any speed above 5 mph! It would also grind shifting into any gear about half the time. When we looked inside the tranny, the shift fork was bent and worn, and several synchros were worn abnormally.

The third rebuild was last week when I blew up 2nd gear with 9 psi of boost This was "on my dime" since the warrantee is void with the turbo.

The point is, complain loudly to your dealer, and don't stop till you get a new tranny - of course they will rebuild it a couple of times first...

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Old 02-01-2001, 12:54 AM   #9
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Just saying "me too", as I have said in a number of other posts here.

1st: almost impossible to shift while moving. Hard stopped--put myself in a worse situation than I'd like today because I couldn't shift into 1st in time to get all the way across the street at a two-way stop.

2nd: usually fine

3rd: sometimes grinds, sometimes hard to shift

4th: only grinds when being abused. has happened twice since I bought the car.

5th: usually fine. at 8k or so it popped out of gear all the time, rebuilt under warantee.

Dealer of course claims everything else is normal... claims powertrain warantee (5/50?) covers this, so I'm not so worried.
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Old 02-01-2001, 07:05 AM   #10
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Yeah, alot of this seems pretty typical. No one here seems to be able to shift into 1st while moving unless they rev the engine up to like 5500 rpm, then it slips in.

As for second, usually notchy, but not crunchy.

Third used to be decent, now it's probably the worst.

I have no problems with 4th, or 5th.

I'm going to go with a higher friction oil like Redline 75W90, granted bearing life will take a hit, but if the tranny could shift smoother I'd be a much happier camper.

Actually, now that I think of it, it may be because of the oil. Subaru is probably putting in oil that is bearing friendly and good on gas, and they're not really addressing the shift quality. (well, seems like a thing subaru would do anyway).

Thanks for your input guys!

James (off to go buy some oil)
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Old 02-06-2001, 04:41 PM   #11
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Well, I took it into the dealer to have it looked at. The technician drove it and said it's all good. They suggested I could switch to a thinner tranny oil from 90 to 70 synthetic grade. It looks like some of the customers do this switch with no mention of getting any grinding gears so I'm going to switch over at my 48k km service. The stuff they use is Penzoil synthetic if that helps. Today was extremely sunny and warm so it was shifting much better, so I'm sticking with my usual comment that my car is real moody.

So even at 38k km's no one should be blaming it on the clutch if you don't abuse it. The technicial complimented my clutch after 2 years and this is the first car I started driving stick, hehe.
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Old 02-10-2001, 02:27 PM   #12
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Two things that synthetic will change for ya: 1) since it moves better when cold the tranny will not feel like mud in the cold and then change when it's warmed up, 2) should lubricate better which should protect things better.

So, when it's cold, if you have trouble shifting, won't go into gears, tranny feels like mud, but it's fine on a warmer day or after a lot of driving, than synthetic will help a lot.

I wouldn't recommend changing the grade of oil if you're going to synthetic, the switch to synthetic should meet your needs. I would hate to have to have my oil changed twice a year, summer blend and a winter blend.

I got my dealer to put in some Redline 75W90NS for both the tranny and rear diff. I'm hoping it's going to be much better in the cold, instead of the mud.

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