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Old 10-18-2000, 06:29 AM   #1
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Post Where to buy complete EJ20 with everything?

Okay I posted this in the Newbie Misc Tech section. So I decided to post here. Anyone have any idea of sources or part numbers fro the complete engine etc......?


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Old 10-18-2000, 07:46 AM   #2
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i can get them, but eally don't have the time to devote to finding a solid one to just bolt in....I would call Rallispec, and speak to Dave. Tell him I sent you.
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Old 10-18-2000, 08:31 AM   #3
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RalliSpec has them or can get them? Do you have any contact info for the site or owners?

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Old 10-18-2000, 09:04 AM   #4
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Just go to www.rallispec.com all the info is at the top.

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Old 10-18-2000, 10:00 AM   #5
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Mike Shields of SPD had one as of a few months ago - maybe still does.
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Old 10-18-2000, 10:56 AM   #6
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Good luck locating one. It just isn't easy to find an honest to God STi motor. Ask CTC motorsports. I'm thinking it might have something to do with the fact that people don't want to trade up to the new WRX, so they're more likely to hold on to what they've got. Which makes EJ20's rare, and more pricey than before.

Rallispec has been trying to find one for me, but there just aren't enough engines to go around. Oh well, guess I'll do something else
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Old 10-18-2000, 01:07 PM   #7
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Again, Ej20 does not necessarily mean STi motor!!!!!! EJ20's are everywhere (even 97- and up, the newer ones are common). STi's are harder to come by....I would hate to see what Subaru Japan asks for them new!

The last time I check with SPD, the one they had was a '96 RA motor (non-STi). from what I hear, they are best used as boat anchors.
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Old 10-18-2000, 01:28 PM   #8
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Yeah, EJ20 doesn't necessarily mean STi.

But if you're going to the trouble of a motor swap, why on earth would you waste time with a non-STi motor?
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Old 10-18-2000, 01:36 PM   #9
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Wait until after we get LHD EJ20's coming from the factory. I mean, look at how easy & cheap (relatively speaking) it is to find a H22a to drop into your Accord or a B18 to put in your CRX.
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Old 10-18-2000, 01:42 PM   #10
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Adam-

I believe TRi posted a while back that a brand new EJ20 STi v.5/6 motor would run $8000 shipped. Owch.
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Old 10-18-2000, 02:28 PM   #11
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Ya, I know the difference between the two thanks for pointing out the mistake in my post. But there has got to be away to get this motor. Money is not the object here so I am not worried about the cost. The problem is getting this (STI)engine. I have weighed other options as well as going with new heads, Port & Polish, turbo etc, etc.......with the existing engine and really don't think I will have the same performance gains. Then I again what would I know about Subarus! I have only had it four months. I am VW man that turned I guess. Well I really thank you all for the feed back. I will check with the existing sites that were mentioned and keep my ears and eyes open.

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Old 10-18-2000, 02:30 PM   #12
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I got mine from SPD USA. 1 month ago
I was at Mike's and saw a '98 RA motor
with variable split center diff. Very cool.

It's a STi Ver. IV. Very nice.
Puting in the tranny this week. The flywheel
looks brand new.
www.imprezawrx.org

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Old 10-18-2000, 02:48 PM   #13
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$8,000.00 huh...not as bad as I would have thought. But, does that include the turbo, ecu, wiring loom, injectors, etc.? If so, not a bad deal. what's their turnaround time?

Mine (V5) is taking extraordinarly long to arrive!

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Old 10-18-2000, 02:56 PM   #14
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Are you guys getting them from the same place?

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Old 10-18-2000, 03:17 PM   #15
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Jeez.. for $8K I'm suddenly interested again.
Can anyone honestly turn up some STi drivelines in a reasonable amount of time (and cash too!)?

We've got the demand part down. So... where's the supply already?
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Old 10-18-2000, 03:22 PM   #16
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Hell yeah - If you're able to pay 6k for a vishnu - although that installation is probably much simpler - why not put 2 grand more into it, and get the more durable piece?

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Old 10-18-2000, 04:21 PM   #17
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Where is the proof that the EJ20 is more durable? I don't see any reason that the EJ25 shouldn't be just as durable w/ forced injection as the EJ20. Now, if you are talking trannies, that is a different story.
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Old 10-18-2000, 04:32 PM   #18
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8k for an engine is insane!

really who cares about the new headlight on the WRX it's sure as hell a lot cheap to get it. 25 grand? no problem
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Old 10-18-2000, 05:48 PM   #19
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Uhm.. think about it. The STi motor is BUILT to be a turbocharged motor. Therefore it IS more durable than the EJ25.

Just because people are running around all day long in turbo ej25's does not make them more durable.

All that has been PROVEN is that proper engine management (ala Vishnu, etc.) can make an ej25 turbo into a pretty reliable motor.

What would an STi be like with a similar programmable ecu? Mmmm....
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Old 10-18-2000, 07:41 PM   #20
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STi motors have stronger pistons (supposedly) and oil spray under the pistons...and some other stuff too.
more durable under normal use, but if you mess up octane and stuff like that...neither engine will hold up
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Old 10-18-2000, 09:01 PM   #21
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well i went to TRI last weekend and spoke to chris about getting an engine
8K for a brand new engine...JUST the engine
if you want everything brand new
engine, wiring harness, cross membe, tranny, rear axles and diff, etc...the whole thing. you are looking to spend about 10-12K total.
But he did say that he can get used ones for about 5K and that is everything.
He told me that he deal with taka kaira.
you can check out their website http://www.takakaira.com/
if not just give chris at TRI a call
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Old 10-18-2000, 09:27 PM   #22
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first thing.. the EJ25 is just as stable as the EJ20 turbocharged so thats BS.
look at the JUN car still running.. hmm strange?
EJ25 will probably be more stable after dumping 8 thousand into it and faster
anyway

i know a shop that will ship a brand new STI V.6 engine complete with harness and brain to the us for pretty cheap considering how much they normally cost new..
if you interested email me and i'll give you there phone number. ENJOY
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Cacophony, I disagree that the EJ20 is more reliable just by virtue of the fact that it was designed to be a turbo motor. I stand by my earlier statement that no one out there has proven that a turbo 2.5 is LESS durable than the EJ20. As for the oil squirters in the pistons, all of the 300+ hp Talons and Eclipses that are out there are making that horsepower with out oil squirters under the pistons. I believe there are several other engines out there (Supra turbo, Skyline, 300zx turbo) that make rediculous amounts of RELIABLE horsepower with out using oil squirters under the pistons. I am NOT saying the EJ20, especially the STi motors, are NOT rock solid. I am simply saying there is no evidence that the EJ25 can't be just as reliable.
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Old 10-18-2000, 11:05 PM   #24
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Ok so if this many people are interested in this engine then what is going on? I know we can get one, but I want to get my hands on a new one! Not used! SO..... if anyone is willing to see what two or three engines at a time would cost I am in!! All the way!


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Old 10-19-2000, 12:38 AM   #25
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If the EJ25 is just as good blown as the EJ20 is, then why aren't the EJ20s built just like the EJ25s? I see the rings and heads as being the weak points, and those are just two of the things that the EJ20 design addresses. The RS has a Forester motor. Not glamorous, not racy. Certainly not "meant" for turbocharging - especially at the pressure most people seem to want to run. When somebody hits, say 60 or 75 thousand miles turboed, I'll be the first one to say I was wrong. The turbo motors are beefier because you can't "fake da funk". To get that much power out of an engine expected to last at least 100k - it's gotta be a rock. The EJ22 have "hardened" crank, conrods, pistons, I think also that the bearing design is different - anyway, it's clear that Subaru ken that the motor has to be built stronger from th block up, to deliver power for as long as people expect cars to last these days. The expectation for most modern cars is that you should get 100k plus, just by keeping up with the oil changes. The EJ25 is built to deliver a modest amount of reliable power, and not much more.

If we're talking reliable by race standards - then sure, boost away. Just because there is no data about long term reliability (they just haven't been around that long) doesn't make the EJ25 a good candidate. Engineers, help me out on this, but wear and stress must be tied in a somewhat linear fashion to power delivery. You just can't expect to nearly double your power output and pay no penalty in longevity.

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