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View Poll Results: What would you choose if you had to have an A/S tire?
Pirelli PZero Nero M&S 78 60.94%
Toyo Proxes 4 50 39.06%
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Old 06-25-2004, 01:43 PM   #1
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Default Toyo Proxes 4 vs. Pirelli PZero Nero M&S

Now I know the differences and trade-offs by going with an A/S tire, but this is just the daily driving tire for my new GT that will be here in the next 2 weeks or so and in my hands shortly after. I am having the tires replaced before I ever take delivery. We get about 30" of snow per winter (maybe) and I can't justify dedicated snows here, so this tire will for now be my year-round tire. I hope to add a set of performance summer/race tires next year to supplement that aspect of my driving criteria.

So I am really wondering what others have to say, including Luke. Is there a better tire out there to perform the all-season tasks? I can't find such a tire.

For comparison I run Conti CEC's right now on my '97 GT which is soon to be sold. They handle decently in the snow though somewhat soft when dry handling traction is required.

If something else out there is better, please list it.
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Old 06-25-2004, 01:54 PM   #2
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Pirelli is the best handling all-season tire I have driven to-date
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Old 06-25-2004, 02:05 PM   #3
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Have you driven with the Toyo's mentioned?
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Old 06-26-2004, 12:19 AM   #4
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Tirerack doesn't sell Toyo, so I doubt if he has. I think the Pirellis will outhandle (in the dry) every other all season out there, but they aren't quite as good in the snow. But I would like to know more about the Proxes 4 as well, I'm considering them for winter.
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Old 06-26-2004, 12:35 AM   #5
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I might just go with the Proxes and another guy I know (with an identical car but in Limited trim) have the Pirelli's put on and each could get a feel for the other.
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Old 06-26-2004, 03:43 PM   #6
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I have driven my car with the Toyo Proxes 4, Sumitomo HTR+, and Falken ZIEX512. Out of the three I would choose the Proxes 4 ALL DAY LONG.

I realize they are still new but they are quite and handling is unreal for an all weather tire....
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Old 06-26-2004, 05:13 PM   #7
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That's a good word overall. I figured it was above them, that being the reason the Pirelli is the only forseeable competition.
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Old 06-30-2004, 10:02 AM   #8
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I have been debating on which of these 2 tires to get for the past few weeks. I have an STi and live in northern VA. I don't want to buy another set of rims for winter tires...I just want an awesome set of All Season tires at a good price. The Pirelli PZero Nero M&S can be had for $123 from www.tirerack.com plus shipping and the Toyo Proxes 4 are $95 at www.treadepot.com plus shipping...I am tempted to get the Toyos just becasue of the price but they are so new and the Pirelli's just get so many good reviews!

What else can anyone say about either one of these tires?

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Old 06-30-2004, 12:46 PM   #9
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Quote:
Originally posted by Luke@tirerack
Pirelli is the best handling all-season tire I have driven to-date
listen to luke, the pirelli's have a 2-ply sidewall for stiffness, are light, and dry grip is outstanding. look at the tirerack test.


LUKE, how do these compare to a run of the mill summer tire like the ES100, or are they just not comparable. this is just for street driving.
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Old 06-30-2004, 12:52 PM   #10
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I'm on my second set of M&S and I'm still not complaining one bit. They last long, grip really well, and handle snow like a champ.

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Old 06-30-2004, 12:54 PM   #11
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i want a set of M&S also so i dont have to change my wheels whenever i go to the mtn's. i live in socal so i ride on summer tires on sti wheels, and re92s on stockers for snow.
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Old 06-30-2004, 04:09 PM   #12
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Toyos ordered, I'll let ya'll know how they work. I can't imagine they will be too subpar to the Neros considering what I have heard from some individuals.

Horse apiece, but for $89/tire IIRC + shipping versus $27 more a tire, saving $100 bucks, probably worth whatever little trade-offs can be had. I think it's safe to say however that the Toyos should be far superior to the RE92's in any case. :P
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:09 PM   #13
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Toyo 4's are a fine choice. I have a set and they are terrific.
PZero's also excellent. You can't go wrong with either one, but Toyo got my vote because better deal for the money.
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That's how I see it also.
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Old 06-30-2004, 09:29 PM   #15
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I'll be getting by nero M+S mounted this weekend can't wait to get off these piece of crap stock tires. good luck with the toyo's
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Old 08-13-2004, 03:20 PM   #16
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which tire has better tread wear? i am in need of good tires but i don't want to replace them every summer. currently i ride on khumo's 711, can't complain except that they're all done after only 10,000 miles. the toyo 4s do sound good for the price but will they last as long as the pirellis?
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Old 08-13-2004, 04:26 PM   #17
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I'll let you know when I wear these Toyo's through, but from my experiences so far, these tires are amazing, at least compared to CEC's on my old GT. If you even get 4/5 of the wear out of the Toyos to the Pirelli's, you're still getting the same value per dollar (minus mounting of course.) In prelim comparisons, I'd definitely go Toyo again, no quams about that.
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Old 08-13-2004, 05:06 PM   #18
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I had a set of the Toyo on for about 200 miles. So far so great. Damn they grip very nice. Still squeals at the limit, but the limit is a lot higher than the POS RE92. I was debating if I should get the ZE-512 or the Toyo P4. The P4 is better than the 512. (Not that the 512 is bad.. but just not as good). Sidewall on the P4 don't roll like the RE92 which is very nice. So far I like them, but I am willing to try the Nero M+S next time. Anyone have a direct comparsion between the two?

BTW. The P4 suppose to be using the same rubber compound as the T1S.
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Old 08-13-2004, 05:24 PM   #19
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p4 and t1-s have the same casing, different compound for cold weather.

as an ALL SEASON tire, the pzero M+S are supposed to be the closest to a summer tire than anything else out right now. they have a 2-ply sidewall so its stiff, and the grip is awesome. this is just what i have gathered from luke and nasioc.
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I have had both. The PZERO M+S is handsdown the better of the two.
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I have had both. The PZERO M+S is handsdown the better of the two.
Does that mean better dry grip, wet grip, tread wear, everything? Or are they lots better in the dry and about the same in other categories? More detail, please.
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I suspect Rapid_Roo owned the Toyo FZ4 previously. It's a common mix-up. The Proxes 4 is way too new for him to have gone through a set already-- unless he ran them in the One Lap of America.
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I'm loving my PZero's going to the midwest shootout tomorrow so we'll see how they like the track.
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Old 08-13-2004, 09:45 PM   #24
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I'm unsure of getting the PZero Nero M+S, Toyo Proxes 4 or the Falken Ziex ZE 512. I want all weather and won't be getting dedicated snow tires. Both the Pirelli M+S and the Proxes 4 are new. Has anyone had any real snow experience with either of them yet?

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Old 08-13-2004, 10:02 PM   #25
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Andy, straight-line shouldn't be that much of a difference, only weight would be the difference there.

Jimmy, from what I was told by someone in a mountainous region, that if you get stuck in a snowstorm in the mountains with them, they can make it home alright, I think that was based on personal experience.
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