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Old 08-31-2000, 07:28 AM   #1
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I just got my kit last night and will be installing it this weekend. I am going to take many many pictures just like the TEC-II install I did a few weeks back.

I took some preliminary pics of the kit last night... still have to shoot the Intercooler, pre-welded oilpan from Minnam, and the fasteners bag. But you can see what I shot already.

<a href="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1125321&a=8476574"></a>

I am going to try to document the entire install for the MY99. The only documented install to date is SteveS's MY98 install. So this should be good, plus you will be able to see the improvements that Minnam has made since the 98 kits.

Any questions about the install please direct here.

Good thing it's a long weekend!

For those that want to know... If all goes according to plan, I will be installing the kit at a local garage in Fort Lauderdale. I will be borrowing the lift and perhaps a set of hands, but I am doing the install myself.

Wish me luck!

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Old 08-31-2000, 08:19 AM   #2
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Good luck on the install and thanks for the great pics. This is the first time I've actually been able to see the kit. Keep us updated on how things go. If I was somehow able to find $5k and get the kit, I'd be doing my own install too.

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Old 08-31-2000, 08:34 AM   #3
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wow... good picts you should have done Minnams web site...
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Old 08-31-2000, 04:48 PM   #4
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does anybody have any info on what minnam's site is? i thought they were bought by AMR or something...

does anybody sell the minnam kits?
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Old 08-31-2000, 05:28 PM   #5
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I'm now officially offering a Minnam/TEC-II combo. See my newly updated site for more info.

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Old 09-01-2000, 02:11 AM   #6
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Nick to make your life easy when installing the oil pan loosen the lower engine mount bolts and jack the engine up. This will make it easy to get to the four 10 mil nuts.
have fun it took me 2 hours until I realized that I should have jacked the engine up.
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Old 09-01-2000, 06:41 AM   #7
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Thanks for the tip scoobie... fortunatly I just changed the engine mounts last weekend... so I kinda had that in mind... but thank you... but now other people know too! That's why I am doing this thread.

I also just updated the pictures... check em out... (added the IC, Oil-Pan, and rest of the fittings shots)

<a href="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1125321&a=8476574">
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Old 09-01-2000, 07:27 AM   #8
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Nice stuff!

I sure am glad mine came with all of this stuff from Subaru!
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Old 09-01-2000, 07:55 AM   #9
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as i had said befor great photos, but they need a referance for size. Is that intercooler 4 feet wide or 18"?
anyway great work

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Old 09-01-2000, 09:19 AM   #10
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DLC:
Huh? but you live in the states... are you trying to say you have a factory turbo impreza?

Jaxx:
I'll try to get measurements on the stuff and put it in the description. Good tip... just didn't have anything I wanted to see in all the pictures handy.

UPDATE: Just posted the scanned instructions on the site. Click PhotoPoint link above to see pics.

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Old 09-01-2000, 09:33 AM   #11
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Nick,

I have swapped oil pans twice - big fun.

You do need to jack the engine up as high as possible for easier access. I would recommend unbolting the AC line that rund directly behind the throttle body on the firewall (it's a small bolt) - this will give you the ability to get te engine a couple of inches higher and make it that much easier.

The manual says about 100 times not to use a screwdriver to pry the oil pan off becasue you will damage the block. Try to use a 1" scraper to break the bead on the pan (I used a razor knife to cut through the bead as much as I could) and wedge it int here to pry the pan off. Eventually you will use a screwdriver Also I used a scotchbright pad to clean off the block which worked very well - it still takes some time, but you need to clean it properly to get a good seal. Also, the torque spec on the oil pan bolts is like 15 ft.lbs, so don't overtighten them or they will strip. I used Subaru bond, but any RTV sealeant should work. Have fun. The first time it took me about 3 hours, but the second time it took about 1 hour.
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Old 09-01-2000, 10:33 AM   #12
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DLC has a legacy turbo..
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Old 09-01-2000, 11:12 AM   #13
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Yep!

Closed deck, better valves, larger cooling passages, wider oil passages.

Too bad the intake sucks hard, literally.
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Old 09-01-2000, 11:13 AM   #14
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That news isn't good... I really did figured that the oilpan would be the worst part of the install...

Where can I get that sealant for the oilpan? Any auto shop? 'Subaru Bond' just Surbau's version of the same generic sealant?

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Old 09-01-2000, 11:17 AM   #15
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Nick,

It's not that hard, but it probably will be the hardest part of the installation. The "Subaru Bond" stuff is grey ad thinner than RTV. I don't know the equavalent, the manual dosn't list one. I would either call a local dealer or go to an autoparts store and ask what they would recommend for an oil pan. Worst case you will have some leaks and have to redo it.
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Old 09-01-2000, 11:32 AM   #16
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Well the place I am doing it at is actually a import performance shop local in town. I am borrowing the lift. I know the guys pretty well, so I am sure they will have almost all the stuff I would need there. I wasn't going to wing the installation completely on my own... I'm not that crazy. The owner will be there to help a little I'm sure.

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Old 09-01-2000, 11:38 AM   #17
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You're using a lift - THAT'S CHEATING

Good luck.
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Old 09-01-2000, 11:44 AM   #18
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DLC, better valves? You mean smaller is better? Check out www.cobbtuning.com if you haven't read the cylinder head tests.
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I'm aware of the poor head design of the 2.2 Turbo, i just wish there was something that could be done about it.

This doc i snagged from some web page gives a rundown when comparing it to the N/A 2.2:
http://www.xmission.com/~dac/turbo_info.htm

It's a hell of an engine. I know a few guys running 12-13PSI no problems, one without an intercooler
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Old 09-02-2000, 08:21 PM   #20
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Ok Guys... well I have good news and I have bad news...

Good news... the car's running great.... the install took most of today, but it's running beautifully, no leaks (exhaust or oil... yet)

There were a few minor problems with the install though... the weld in the pre-welded oilpan was a little to close to the oil filter and it won't fit with a standard size filter now. So I will more than likely need to run a remote oil res to resolve that one.

Other than that the install went slow, but flawless.

Ok... now the bad news... I only ended up taking a few pics of the really wierd stuff that I should I should try to document, and a few other miselaneous shots. This was basically because I was so busy wrenching I didn't want to stop and snap a shot. Sorry...

I will post the pics I have now... and I will go back over and take shots of things I had to do and will point them out so you know when you do your install.

Few things namely, the oilpan... rao wasn't kidding... it's a pain to get out... and I had the car on a lift and the engine lifted... there are 4 bolts on the backside of the pan that are just ridiculous. I bow down to all of you that intalled this on on the floor... on your backs.

There is a bracket on the engine where the left intercoller leg has to go, just unbolt it... I tried to save it and bent part of it... but just wasn't worth it. It's just there to hold two wire bundles, but you can easily tie-wrap them to something else and save yourself the headache.

The intercooler... damn't they weren't kidding when they said this thing was large... it BARELY fits in there... but looks beautiful once in... the legs on mine were a little crooked for the mounts, so I had to bent them a little, but now it fits perfectly. Just one suggestion install the silicone hose for the throttle body, with both hose clamps slid to the bottom, before you install the IC. This will just save you time.

Bolting up the turbo itself it very simple... and all the pieces pretty much just fall into place and bolt together without any major headaches. One thing I didn't do was screw in the oil return fitting before I put the turbo up... wasn't a big deal, but would have made it much easier. Also... screwing in the steel braided retrtn line to the fitting on the turbo was a pain! it's really tight and the fitting is to large it's hard to manipulate. There are also few metal lines that run over the crossmember, make sure you run the line under those then screw it in.

On the Oil feed line... the best way to get access to that part of the block is to drop the alternator... to remove the belt, then completly unscrew the left adjustable mount seperating it from the alternator so it can swing up on the rightside hinge point. This will afford you enough clearance. If not then you will need to take out the other bolt too, but it's really unecessary, and I have huge hands you'll be find with just the left mount. Then unscrew the oil pressure switch and screw in the NPT fitting profided by Minnam. make sure you get the fitting well into the block, if not.. you won't have enough clearance to run the oil feed line under the intake manifold, it will hit the fuel lines. Once the fitting is in screw in the "T" block tighten it until you can't turn it by hand anymore... then the trick I used to get it tighter was to take a open box wrench and slip it over the top of the "T" to it's prependicular to the engine. then take a screw driver for leverage slide it through the closed end and twist. This will get you enough leverage and save your knuckles in the process. Once that's done, just screw in the oil pressure switch to the front of the "T" and attach the wire (it's really tight, you will have to lenghten it or just stretch it a little). next install the fitting on the other side, run the feed line under the instake manifold and screw it in. I have a pic of this.

Once the IC and the Turbo are bolted up... the rest of the install is cake... the fittings allow for pleanty of freedom of where things tie together. It's just a matter of install the silicon, rubber, and metal hoses together with clamps. Very simple... and easily the shortest part of the install.

Currently I am running the GReddy air filter, but I am probably going back to the stock airbox until I can find a better solution to getting cold air into the engine.

Overall... this wasn't hard... save a few priceless moments swearing at the car! The install would have gone much quicker had I had just the few tips I wrote about here... just the little things that Minnam dosen't really include in their directions. But just a small note would have saved about 2 hours of 'figurin' on my part.

Hope this helps the rest of you undertaking this install. If you want pictures of something specific please let me know. I am going to shoot the entire engine bay tomorrow and try to get some 'publicity' type shots as well as close ups of anything afore mentioned that I don't have pics of yet.

Course I also have to let you know... about 2 hours got wasted with people stopping by the shop... and haveing to strike up a conversation with me about the car. I didn't mind so much... but if I had to say how long this would take without unterruptions and knowing exactly what you're doing... 4-5 hours. That's a nice moderate pace taking care at doing things.

Well, good luck in your installs and as I take more pics or change things I will add it to this thread. I'll eventually make a mod in the mod section for it... just wanted to have more pics first. I'll get em though.

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Old 09-02-2000, 08:56 PM   #21
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that's awesome Nick!!!

Damn shame I won't be able to do the same for quite a while
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Old 09-03-2000, 04:41 AM   #22
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No need to bow Nick . I'm glad it went well! Almost everyone forgets to tkae pictures, it is quite an interruption to stop and who wants to handle a camera with greasy hands?

The easiest way to get thosee back 4 bolts is to use a really loooong extension and with a universal joint on the end, but you probably already fgured that out.


Enjoy the new set up!!!

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Old 09-05-2000, 06:54 AM   #23
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(bump, in case anyone missed this)
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Old 09-05-2000, 07:50 AM   #24
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Thanks for the info. I am about a month behind you and this will help.

I may wimp out and have someboady else do the oil pan. I have replaced a few of these on my 1963 Sunbeam Alpine and frankly I am sick of laying under cars and getting oil dripped all over me.
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Old 09-07-2000, 01:48 PM   #25
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UPDATE:

Found an Oil leak on Tuesday night when I was down on the floor of my garage checking my EGT Probe. (Think my blackbox on the AutoMeter EGT is busted)

Anyway, the leak is from the return line at the turbo. There is a 45 degree fitting that mounts to the turbo housing and it's just a little loose. So we need to tighten that and then reconnect the line. But other than that... no exhaust or oil leaks.

Also going to be dropping in some colder sparkplugs. I think I might have fouled one of the plugs a while back as I keep having a little trouble with idle. I'm also going to try an ECU reset if that dosen't correct it. It's possible that the ECU is just having trouble adjusting to the turbo, but I'll find out.

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