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Old 02-07-2001, 02:40 PM   #1
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Post Start Car In neutral - Let out clutch, tranny grabs and rolls forward.

Hiya fellow I-Clubbers...

I have a '99 2.5 RS with 54K miles (5 Speed).

When I start the car in the morning, (It's been in the 20's) I...[*]Put the Clutch In[*]Start the Car[*]Put the Stick in Neutral[*]Let the clutch out

(all normal right?)

When I let the clutch out, the tranny *grabs* and starts to roll forward, all the while making a scraping metal sound like a deep wooowoowooo sound.

I've brought this to the dealer and dropped it off overnight 3 times and they were able to re-create it once, the last time. (Only happens 1st thing in the morning)

They called their 'support' line and the answer was this is 'normal'.

Anyone else experienceing this? I really don't believe this is 'Normal'.

Also, the clutch pulsates (cold clutch shudder in the morning) but also when I shift all day at all temps when driving...they claim 'normal'.

I had the clutch shudder fixed at 28K miles already. PP, Flywheel, Clutch, T-O Bearing and the entire casing ($3.5K - Warrantied)

Now I know they just don't want to do it again.

Anyone else experiencing this in the colder climates at start? I really don't think this is as they say it is.... 'normal'.

Thanks.

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Old 02-07-2001, 03:57 PM   #2
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Ask SOA if it wil be normal when you run someone over while the car is in neutral. Ask them if there "normal" excuse will hold up when you take them to court!

KC, it is total BS. My car had the cold shudder problem, and I had it fixed at Exeter about 8K miles ago. I have not had any problems since. You might want to give Scott in service a call, and just discuss it with him over the phone. He might be able to help you out, but sometimes his hands are tied when the stuff is documented through other dealers.

Not normal.

Edit: you list the wrong car under your name. I'll believe it when I see it (the back of it).

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Old 02-07-2001, 08:25 PM   #3
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In cold weather, it's not uncommon at all for my car to roll forward a tiny bit. However, this activity doesn't include any nasty noises like you've describes. In my case, I think it's just the cold, thick tranny fluid providing enough friction to move the gears even though they aren't in direct contact. Kinda like a super-inefficient viscous coupling.

Good luck tracing the source of the noise.

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Old 02-08-2001, 06:06 AM   #4
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Thanks for the replies...

So maybe if I changed the fluid? Any suggestions as to what to use?

Amazing that my dealer wouldn't even suggest such a thing...

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Old 02-08-2001, 06:20 AM   #5
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I have Mobil 1 Synthetic via Rallispec in my Transmission and Rear Diff.
It works well, and makes shifting much easier in the winter months.

Have you ever changed the fluid? If should have been changed ever 30K miles.

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Old 02-08-2001, 08:23 AM   #6
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Well I had the whole new clutch assembly done at 28K and I only have 54K on it now.

I could only expect that they replaced the fluid when they put in the new clutch, pressure plate, flywheel, TO bearing and the new clutch housing.

Some people have complained about the shifting feel...no problems here. Goes in and comes out no problems...it's what I feel in my left foot and what I hear in the morning that's the issue.

Maybe I will change the fluids to see if it helps.

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Old 02-08-2001, 08:51 AM   #7
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KC,
they probably did not change the fluid. I changed mine at 11K and had the same warranty clutch service done on my car at 18K. I asked them if they drained the fluid, because I had put my own more expensive type in. They told me the fluid does not have to be drained to pull the tranny out. Then I help Edwin and Jude with there tranny swap, and it is true. All you need to do is disconnect the driveshaft from the rear diff and the crossmember/tranny bolts and the tranny to engine bolts, and then you can slide the entire tranny back off the engine without poping any axles out, so no fluid leaks. I would change your fluid and look for metal on the drain plug.

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Old 02-08-2001, 08:52 AM   #8
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My honda civic does that. If I have the front jacked up (or in ice) the wheels will spin even when in neutral. It's not enough power to move the car, but enough to change the sound of the engine revs when i let go of the clutch.

I'm not sure what causes it, but I think it might have to do with a worn synchro.
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Old 02-08-2001, 09:59 AM   #9
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yo,
I have the same thing happen to me. I dont have much sound though..the only sound I hear is the engine changing rpms. I always wondered about that, but I never had a chance to post it. That thick tranny fluid sounds like a good idea..I think i am gonna have my fluids changed this weekend. Thanks guys
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Old 02-08-2001, 05:55 PM   #10
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Well on Monday it's going in for an alignment, oil change and change all the tranny/diff fluids.

Gonna see if this helps.

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Old 02-09-2001, 12:53 AM   #11
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I may be off base here but I think it could be the springs in you clutch. The springs that help the plates disengage when it is out of gear. The plates aren't being pushed out far enough due to possibly worn springs so since they aren't moved out far enough they are still slightly remaining engaged which would give you a rubbing noise and forward movement.
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Old 02-09-2001, 08:12 AM   #12
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I don't think it's the clutch because when the car is in neutral, whether the clutch is engaged or not is irrelevant. Somehow, the gears are still engaged, so when you engage the clutch, it sends a small amount of power to the wheels.
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