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Old 02-07-2001, 02:55 PM   #1
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Question LINk and TEC-II

Did anyone here in the list try LINK on a RS? I run it in my Miata and it works great with my turbo! Just wonder how well it does with a Subaru.

What about TEC-II? How hard is it to tune a TEC-II? How long does it take to install one?

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Old 02-07-2001, 05:00 PM   #2
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I have nothing for you about the LINK system, but if you want to learn about the TEC-II on the Impreza... Then there is just one thing to do... Search for the name "Shiv" in the archives. He has a super schweet TEC-II kit for the the Subie. It's a bit more money than some... but I think its worth every penny.

Check out his web site.
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Old 02-07-2001, 05:03 PM   #3
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FM2
Shiv is located in the bay area, you might be able to see him at one of the events. and see for yourself how easy it is to tune the TEC-2 i have it in my car and love it

its a bit overwelming at first but once you get a hang of it its a snap
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oh yeah and go to his forums and see all the info you can think of
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Old 02-07-2001, 07:27 PM   #4
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Hello, [no worries to subaru-only fans, there's subaru stuff at the bottom]

FM2, if you're on the Miata Powerlist or the www.miataforum.com pages, or you search the archives of either, you can find many great debates between Shiv and the Link guys, including Bill Cardell and Ray Ayala. They've argued the benefits of each till they turned blue in the face (hey, over black and gray text, that's hard to do!)

What it boils down to is that the TEC can do everything the Link can do, better. BUT, the question some people pose is whether you NEED that better capability. I think the fact that the TEC allows Shiv to get almost 190 hp to the wheels on the Miata with an M45 tiny non-intercooled blower is proof already that the TEC is superior...

Add to that the fact that the Subaru stock parts are not as over-spec'd as the miata parts (ie, coils are closer to saturated, etc), and the cost of the Link matches the TEC (add MSD, etc.).

Also more important for the Subaru aspect is the fact that since everyone talks so much about how great the Miatalink is, at least one of the UK Subaru Link-using shops got a Miatalink from Bill. His reaction was something along the lines of Bugger, this thing is amazing! implying the superiority of the Miatalink over the current Subaru Link setups.

Well, so if the miatalink is worse than the TEC (how many 300+ hp Link Miatas are there? I believe zero, though there may be one - and there are many examples of 300+ hp TEC Miatas - Shiv's Frankenmiata included - one of the first miata in that power range) and the Subaru Links are worse than the Miatalink...

I'm not biased Nope not at all. Of course, I've used a Miatalink, and have now even played with the latest and greatest software. I've also used the TEC. I'd say the TEC takes about 1/2 as long to learn and 1/10th as long to become a master of. And along the way, I think you learn far more about engine management because all parameters are REAL as opposed to learning to tune cells.

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Old 02-08-2001, 02:22 AM   #5
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Hi guys..

Just a little snippet for you..

A new Link ECU will be debuting soon..

It is meant to be on par with the Motec M48 ECU (maybe not as feature reach). But a far greater deal better than the current Link.

I believe it is a generic ECU, which will require a short adaptor loom (like the Motec and Pectel, etc).

This is all I know:

8 injectors
8 ingition drivers
twin knock inputs
linear/stepper motor drivers
link style pwm boost control
10 rows instead of 6.

J.

ps - Not sur eif I should have said any of this.. lol
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Old 02-08-2001, 09:03 AM   #6
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Check out this sight they have link ecu' s http://www.carmodifications.com/default.htm


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Old 02-08-2001, 10:22 AM   #7
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Joel,
I haven't used either the Link or the TEC-II, so I don't really understand what you mean when yuo say that the TEC-II uses real parameters while with the Link you tune cells.
Can you clarify please?
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