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Old 07-01-2004, 09:12 AM   #26
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Nice job..I can actually have a feel to drive a WRX now
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Old 07-01-2004, 09:18 AM   #27
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DrD, thanks for your input. I will make the change to mid-2002. I didn't research the year well enough, but I knew they put in the valve. As to the synchro issue, I wrote SOA as I didn't see 100% proof on my limited searching about the synchro issue and will update my post with their response.

Chuck H, thanks for your input. You are 100% correct. From someone who is obviously in the know, I understand what you are saying. This FAQ is catered to new people though and I don't want to get into that can of worms. Double clutching and rev matching is fine, but recommending it is for the more advanced in my opinion though. Personally, I can heel/toe rev match like Niki Lauda, but my double clutch is a struggle. I don't possess enough ryhthm.
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Old 07-01-2004, 10:12 AM   #28
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Rev-matching is a part of the Double-Clutch process. So "heel & toe, double-clutch" is good enough.
True. I suppose you could always leave off "rev-match" at the end, if it's already implied that's what you're talking about. However, the point being made was that heel-toe and single v. double-clutch were two separate ideas from each other. Plus, I was going for maximum impressiveness with terms!


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Well in theory you could double-clutch without rev-matching, and you can definitely rev-match without double-clutching.
OK, now you're just being a smart-ass.........
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Old 07-01-2004, 12:11 PM   #29
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Noice! Hopefully some people will read this.
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Old 07-01-2004, 03:40 PM   #30
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Good freakin FAQ.
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Old 07-01-2004, 04:18 PM   #31
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This is my personal favorite bomber FAQ. This should be on the underside of every new WRX sunvisor. It should also be required reading before any new forum account is activated.
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Old 07-02-2004, 09:33 AM   #32
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I find that my 05 STI has the same problem my 02 WRX had when downshifting to 1st. I have to double clutch every time I want to go to first if im not in a complete stop, or (while roling at ~5mph) if the engine RPMs havent been in idle for a long enough time. I only have 1800 miles in the ODO. Reverse, thats been improved a ton.
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Old 07-02-2004, 11:00 AM   #33
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The manual transmission in the 2005 Impreza models has not been changed. As for double-cone synchros, we do not use them. We only use single-cone synchros.

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Looks like the new 2005 tranny rumors were just that, rumors.
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Old 07-12-2004, 01:31 PM   #34
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Wow. I'm VERY impressed.
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Old 07-12-2004, 01:42 PM   #35
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My STi slides right into 1st at 30mph or less. Not that I'll be jamming it into 1st or anything, it was more or less just a test. Its funny that I could never get my wrx in 1st when I need to and the STi I can get in whenever I want but I can start in 2nd gear.

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Old 07-12-2004, 02:39 PM   #36
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my 02 WRX used to slide into 1st at 20mph with no problems. That was when new. Later on, I couldnt slide into 1st unless I was at a complete stop.

My 05 STI started behaving the same way, I could slide into 1st at 20mph, and now 2k miles later it started to behave the same way. There are some days when I cant even slide into 2nd. I think the cold weather is a factor, since in winter, when the tranny is cold it is a real pain to shift at any gear, not to mention downshifting.
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Old 07-17-2004, 12:37 AM   #37
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Great FAQ! I agree with fansipans, it should be required reading because that was one of the first things I wanted to ask and I'm sure that it is the same for most noobs out there. I was used to launching in my honda prelude but the technique is completely different in a rex. I read a magazine (can't remember which one) before I got my rex that was saying that the guy just brought home his new sti and was doing 7000 rpm clutch drops and I was like I gotta get me one of those! I know better now but when I first got my rex the thought crossed my mind Glad I used my better judgement that time.
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Old 11-05-2004, 11:07 PM   #38
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saw these informations some where on the web?
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Old 11-05-2004, 11:07 PM   #39
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but thanks for putting them together
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Old 12-30-2004, 04:58 PM   #40
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...my head hurts ... good info though... now I have to read it 5 more times to soak it up
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Old 12-31-2004, 12:44 AM   #41
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excellent article!
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Old 08-03-2005, 07:53 PM   #42
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Thanks a lot unabomber. I've been driving my 05 sti for 12,000 miles and actually have been double clutching for the downshifting but am glad to learn more about the subaru clutch. I definately need it! Great thread!!
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Old 10-03-2005, 07:34 PM   #43
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I had been driving stick for 15 years and thought I knew what I was doing driving my first WRX around after getting one at the end of May, but I could not figure out how to get things smooth - it was driving me crazy. I just kept trying to drive like I had always done on my front and rear wheel drive Nissan's and Mazda's. I was getting really frustrated with my new car. I finally read this thread over a couple of times over the weekend and then got in my car on Monday. After putting almost 6,000 miles on it, I had been driving the car the wrong way. It is amazing what kind of a difference the details can make. By just making slight adjustments, I could really feel a positive difference in the way the car drove as a whole. In short, this is a great thread that every WRX owner should read. Thanks for putting this out there Unabomber! It helped me a lot.
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Old 10-09-2005, 04:26 AM   #44
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great thread. perhaps a third GIF animation is needed to show rev-match double clutch downshifts. i double clutch whenever i rev-match. you might as well, since it doesn't take anymore time to double clutch while rev-matching.
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Old 10-09-2005, 12:58 PM   #45
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great thread. perhaps a third GIF animation is needed to show rev-match double clutch downshifts. i double clutch whenever i rev-match. you might as well, since it doesn't take anymore time to double clutch while rev-matching.
Just by the nature of it, it has to take more time....if by double clutch you mean that you depress clutch, take car out of gear, let up clutch, depress clutch, put car in lower gear, let up clutch.
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Old 10-09-2005, 04:32 PM   #46
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well, when you put the car in neutral , at the same time you let off the clutch. blip the throttle, clutch in and go into gear.

that's not too time consuming since during rev-match you already are waiting in neutral for the rpms to kick up so you can engage the next lower gear smoothly.
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Old 10-09-2005, 06:19 PM   #47
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After i downshift and engage to the next gear, i hear my tranny whine..normal?
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well, when you put the car in neutral , at the same time you let off the clutch. blip the throttle, clutch in and go into gear.

that's not too time consuming since during rev-match you already are waiting in neutral for the rpms to kick up so you can engage the next lower gear smoothly.
sounds like you're rev-matching wrong, unless you're talking about not using your clutch at all.

when I rev-match downshift it's clutch in with revs up as shifter goes into new gear, clutch out. if done right you shouldn't even feel the shift, you should just be at a higher rpm....works perfectly on my motorcycle too.
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Old 10-09-2005, 08:30 PM   #49
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There are some days when I cant even slide into 2nd. I think the cold weather is a factor, since in winter, when the tranny is cold it is a real pain to shift at any gear, not to mention downshifting.
Yeah; I double-clutch my 1-2 shifts the first few times after starting car; more in the winter.
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this thread will helps a lot...
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