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Old 11-01-2008, 10:58 PM   #101
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the subi is nothing to float compared to the high torque tug boat cummins engine we have in the company truck. i can up shift all gears and down shift all gears w/no grinding or forcing at all. the car can float really well compared to most others, i guess they have good syncro's or somthing.

when i do it, i let off the gas and put light pressure on the stick and it slips right out, before your foot is completely off of the gas you can just slip it right into the next gear as the rpm's fall, and when its in, just slowly increse the rpm again and your on your way. the sti is real easy. just didnt know if anyone else does this, that double clutch thing sound way too complicated, seems way easier to float than to double clutch..........but thats just me.
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Old 11-01-2008, 11:54 PM   #102
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the subi is nothing to float compared to the high torque tug boat cummins engine we have in the company truck. i can up shift all gears and down shift all gears w/no grinding or forcing at all. the car can float really well compared to most others, i guess they have good syncro's or somthing.

when i do it, i let off the gas and put light pressure on the stick and it slips right out, before your foot is completely off of the gas you can just slip it right into the next gear as the rpm's fall, and when its in, just slowly increse the rpm again and your on your way. the sti is real easy. just didnt know if anyone else does this, that double clutch thing sound way too complicated, seems way easier to float than to double clutch..........but thats just me.
It's come up before, most people either believe that by rev matching to float gears that it doesn't wear on the tranny very much, or the exact opposite, that you'll blow the tranny up in a short amount of time. Meh, it's your car.

I learned floating gears driving tractor trailers, as well. If you don't rev match, up and downshifting, it won't go in gear, no matter what you do with the clutch. In the car, the synchros will make it possible to shift without rev matching, a much easier to deal with situation.

I can float all through the gears, up and down in my STI, just like I could in the last stick shift I owned, an '85 Plymouth Horizon. You can float gears in most any car, if you rev match and go easy on it.


Having said that, I don't try it when I'm cranking along spinning the engine at high RPMs. There's a lot of torque that can be applied to the tranny, breaking syncros, and wearing gears out (they call it grinding for a reason, no?) Generally speaking, I treat my car like a car, and not a truck with a tranny capable of handling 1000 lb/ft of torque and just use the clutch almost all the time when I shift gears.

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it's a good idea to. Like I said, it's your car, do what you want with it. I doubt floating between 4-6 when cruising around is going to damage anything too quickly, and it is rather fun to do.
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Old 11-02-2008, 09:24 AM   #103
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yes, i never float gears when driving aggressive. i use the clutch most of the time but it is kinda nice to just shift. i usually float going into 3-6, 2 can be done pretty easy but its much lower of a gear and takes more finesse. its somthing i do every now and then when theres not much traffic and im just cruisin around, showin off the ride.

oh yeah, ive also herd that the final gear should use a clutch from some 18 wheeler floaters just because of the load i guess but they have way more weight.
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:16 AM   #104
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Whenever I shift from 1-2 aggressively, it never sounds smooth and clunks like crazy. I barely ever run through first gear at WOT due to this. Is there any tips for a nice 1-2 aggressive shift? This is my first manual tranny car, so Im not sure how its supposed to feel.

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Old 11-02-2008, 02:38 PM   #105
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i never get a clunk but i have an sti, 1-2 is a good solid squish of the suspension
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:49 PM   #106
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Old 11-02-2008, 11:27 PM   #107
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Whenever I shift from 1-2 aggressively, it never sounds smooth and clunks like crazy. I barely ever run through first gear at WOT due to this. Is there any tips for a nice 1-2 aggressive shift? This is my first manual tranny car, so Im not sure how its supposed to feel.

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It's your rear diff . . . . TiC makes some stiffer bushings (the Klunk Killer I think).
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:36 AM   #108
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no other articles ive read go into the details needed to make decisions on informed shifting practices
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:30 PM   #109
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just normal wear...

...just as down-shifting without the heel and toe causes normal wear on a clutch...yet most still heel-toe.
Without heel-toe (braking) and just using rev matching doesn't that have the same clutch wear as heel-toe?
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:45 PM   #110
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Not sure where I should be asking this and am not allowed to post a new thread as I am a newbee...

I just replaced my clutch (among other things - cv boot, anti-sway bars, spark plugs) and now my shift lever moves when I step on/let off the accelerator. This is especially apperant when in 3rd gear.

I've gone through the shift linkage and everything seems like it's in the only way it'll fit. Did I forget/break something?
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:18 PM   #111
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Mine did that too for a long time but it has lessened over time. I asked back then too and was told its normal and not a concern.
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Old 04-14-2009, 02:15 PM   #112
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Ok, that's what I was hoping for. Thanks for the response.
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Old 05-24-2009, 02:34 PM   #113
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Old 06-06-2009, 11:43 PM   #114
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awesome post, really explains alot to a newbie like me. cant wait to try the double clutch for the 2-1 since i own an 02
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Old 08-19-2009, 06:04 PM   #115
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Loving all he wrte ups I'm reading from the Unabomber
real f'n informative
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Old 08-19-2009, 11:56 PM   #116
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keep reading them! took me about a week, and i feel like i'm quite familiar with my ride now. I woulda wasted a lot of time searching NASIOC threads, and possibly hurting my car, if it weren't for his contributions.
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Old 12-11-2009, 06:08 PM   #117
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Great job. Very in depth
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Old 12-12-2009, 01:03 PM   #118
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nice write up. very informative especially for new awd owners such as myself
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Old 04-07-2010, 03:44 PM   #119
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I second that, lots of good information to help with the overall driving experience of these cars. I was hoping that, being an '03, my car would have the upgraded gears, but the date on the door jam is 6/02..so I'm not sure =/ the transmission shifts fine, occasionally takes a little while before it wants to go into first during acceleration, but other than that no problems.
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Old 04-12-2010, 01:26 PM   #120
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3 years after reading this thread I can finally double-clutch heel toe. (together that is!) Took a year just to make doubling natural and instinctive, and over another year upon that to double clutch while braking.

It is such a relief to be able to pick any gear at any time. I can't even really do it if I stop to think about it or its too slow to really be effective.

This is just a note to others, the techniques described in this thread are not easy to train you brain/feet into. Give it time and you will be rewarded. I've passed on these techniques to many who think its just a waste of time or too difficult.

Example: Oh snap, a 90 degree turn is coming up that you didn't notice, 55 speed limit to 55 limit! You're in 6th, so stand on the brake pedal, double into 2nd with your heel and giggle on boost/Vtec! Now try that same type of shift in snow going downhill in a straight line.

I am so easily amused. I won't go to the drag strip but I'll go up and down that snowy hill practicing over and over.

Another funny thing is, the Subaru pedal layout is way easier to heel toe (in my opinion, foot size) than Honda. Strange indeed.
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:19 AM   #121
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wow! these are amazing information! would've helped so much if i had found this before i started learning about driving MT lol but it still helps now just to read it over! thanks!!
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Old 05-31-2010, 09:11 PM   #122
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Thank you sir. This is great
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:38 PM   #123
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Just wanted to say thanks to the almighty subie master. The WRX is so much different than any other car I've ever driven. You've been the man.
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Old 06-22-2010, 03:28 PM   #124
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My tranny went two weeks after getting my 2002 wrx. The mechanic said 2nd gear "exploded which could only be cause by abuse (so eff your warranty the previous owner gave you with the car)" I think it was on its way out due to how hard the previous owner drove it.

But a habbit i noticed i do alot (when driving in general) is how I gas it alot when i shift into 2nd and let go of the clutch. Is that bad for the tranny? what Rpm should i be in when i'm going into 2nd?

Any assistance to this awd new comer would be very much appreciated. Getting my transmission back in about a week and i dont want this to happen again
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My tranny went two weeks after getting my 2002 wrx. The mechanic said 2nd gear "exploded which could only be cause by abuse (so eff your warranty the previous owner gave you with the car)" I think it was on its way out due to how hard the previous owner drove it.

But a habbit i noticed i do alot (when driving in general) is how I gas it alot when i shift into 2nd and let go of the clutch. Is that bad for the tranny? what Rpm should i be in when i'm going into 2nd?

Any assistance to this awd new comer would be very much appreciated. Getting my transmission back in about a week and i dont want this to happen again
Your RPMs are going to depend on wheel speed. If you're going 20 mph, I find blipping the revs to 2k gets me fairly close to where I need to be. Basically for 2nd gear, 1k RPM = 10 mph. Just as an FYI, you'll kill your clutch eventually if its half way engaged and you're gassing it alot. Just try and blip the throttle to where it needs to be let the clutch out fairly fast (1-2 seconds).
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