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Old 06-30-2004, 12:04 PM   #1
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I have an excel spredsheet of all the Husky locations that sell 94 Octane.

There are only 3 in Calgary

I'm not too sure how to attach the file but if you'd like a copy pm me and I'll figure something out.

Calgary locations are:
4201 Macleod Trail South
3824 Bow Trail S.W.
8200 - 26 St. S.E.

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Old 06-30-2004, 12:34 PM   #2
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8200 - 26 St. S.E.

Its closing down in August
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Old 06-30-2004, 01:25 PM   #3
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Is that the one that's closed on the weekends??? I tried to go there when I was visiting Calgary and was majorly dissappointed that I couldn't try the high octane gas.
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Old 06-30-2004, 07:28 PM   #4
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Is that the one that's closed on the weekends??? I tried to go there when I was visiting Calgary and was majorly dissappointed that I couldn't try the high octane gas.
Open weekdays till 9.00pm weekends till 6.00pm
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Old 06-30-2004, 10:49 PM   #5
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8200 - 26 St. S.E. - Is that the mohawk one?
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Old 06-30-2004, 11:37 PM   #6
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Its the mohawk on shepard rd and Glenmore, kitty corner to the Glenmore inn.
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Old 07-07-2004, 10:51 PM   #7
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I seriously doubt that Mowhawk/Husky 94 octane is really 94 octane. Does anyone know how they calculate the octane. All pumps in the US state the R+M/2 formual right on the pump but at Husky it says nothing.

My reason for beleiving this is that I had my car down in Portland for some tuning by PDX tuning this last long weekend.

At Calgary elevation it didn't knock, but at see level it wouldn't stop knocking despite extremely low timing. When we put 101 octane VP race gas, all the knock went way. After I filled up in the US at Union 76 with 92 octane and it didn't knock either. So the Husky 94 was WAY worse than the American 92.

While I was there, they called Garrett from GIAC who does all the chip tuning on Audis and he said he has tuned with Canadian 94 before and it performed worse than California 91.

Maybe I got a bad batch, but I doubt it. Looks like water/alcohol injection is the best solution for Alberta because VP race gas is not cheap and toluene gets annoying to use with every tank.

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Old 07-07-2004, 11:36 PM   #8
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I seriously doubt that Mowhawk/Husky 94 octane is really 94 octane. Does anyone know how they calculate the octane. All pumps in the US state the R+M/2 formual right on the pump but at Husky it says nothing.

My reason for beleiving this is that I had my car down in Portland for some tuning by PDX tuning this last long weekend.

At Calgary elevation it didn't knock, but at see level it wouldn't stop knocking despite extremely low timing. When we put 101 octane VP race gas, all the knock went way. After I filled up in the US at Union 76 with 92 octane and it didn't knock either. So the Husky 94 was WAY worse than the American 92.

While I was there, they called Garrett from GIAC who does all the chip tuning on Audis and he said he has tuned with Canadian 94 before and it performed worse than California 91.

Maybe I got a bad batch, but I doubt it. Looks like water/alcohol injection is the best solution for Alberta because VP race gas is not cheap and toluene gets annoying to use with every tank.

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Well following that logic, our 91 would be like their 87 or 89. A stock STI doesnt have knock problems on 91 here, but it will have crazy knock on 87 or 89 down there according to people that have tried. Was your boost too high? Youre effectively running another 2-3 psi down there, if youre maxed out up here then youre gonna knock down there.
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Old 07-08-2004, 01:52 AM   #9
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I seriously doubt that Mowhawk/Husky 94 octane is really 94 octane. Does anyone know how they calculate the octane. All pumps in the US state the R+M/2 formual right on the pump but at Husky it says nothing.

My reason for beleiving this is that I had my car down in Portland for some tuning by PDX tuning this last long weekend.

At Calgary elevation it didn't knock, but at see level it wouldn't stop knocking despite extremely low timing. When we put 101 octane VP race gas, all the knock went way. After I filled up in the US at Union 76 with 92 octane and it didn't knock either. So the Husky 94 was WAY worse than the American 92.

While I was there, they called Garrett from GIAC who does all the chip tuning on Audis and he said he has tuned with Canadian 94 before and it performed worse than California 91.

Maybe I got a bad batch, but I doubt it. Looks like water/alcohol injection is the best solution for Alberta because VP race gas is not cheap and toluene gets annoying to use with every tank.

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No conclusions can be drawn from your experience without datalogging. Too many factors are contributing to your situation. Octane is one very small part.

1. Engine compression goes up when you get to sea level.

2. air is denser

3. Stock ecu is due for psych ward.

4. air temps in either place is spuratic.

5. Turbo likes sea air.
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Old 07-08-2004, 06:55 AM   #11
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Nope,

Actaully my boost is higher up here which is strange but possibly due to the lower temps. Down there it was 29 degrees Celsius and on the dyno it could only boost 21psi and dropping to 19 by redline for some reason. Up here I can easliy boost 24psi which drops to 22 by redline in 4th gear on the street.

Maybe it was a bad batch, but without a doubt using back to back testing with a two hour timespan, same temps, same boost levels it was knocking with Husky 94 on the street and no knock at all with Union 76 92octane.

I had the same problem a few years ago with my Supra in that it would knock on Mohawk 94 in edmonton at anything over 18psi, but the guys in the US could routinely run 21psi on 94 octane at sea level with the exact same setup.

Wombat, call BS all you want, but I've ran over 5000 litres of Mohawk 94 dating back to 1998 and it has never performed as well as it should have. However, with alcohol injection on my Supra I could run 24 psi on stock turbos on 91 octane with no knock.

I'll be putting in my SMC alcohol injection system in the STi this weekend and we'll see how much boost it can run without knocking.

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Old 07-08-2004, 07:00 AM   #12
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No conclusions can be drawn from your experience without datalogging. Too many factors are contributing to your situation. Octane is one very small part.

1. Engine compression goes up when you get to sea level.

2. air is denser

3. Stock ecu is due for psych ward.

4. air temps in either place is spuratic.

5. Turbo likes sea air.


I have datalogging. Same elevation, same temps, same day, same boost, same timing. Knocking on Husky 94, not on Union 76 92octane. Go figure, but I still think that although it is the best we can get here, it still sucks.

I picked up over 50rwhp switching from Husky 94 to VP 101, which is way more than anyone there thought possible.
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I'm not understanding you very clearly... how can sea level and calgary be the same elevation same day, same temps, same boost and same timing. thats all impossible. what EMS are you using.. if it is stock its not the same timing. Also you said that "At Calgary elevation it didn't knock, but at see level it wouldn't stop knocking despite extremely low timing."

Or are you saying you drove from sea level to calgary on 76 92 Octane.

tell us exactly how you tested
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Wombat, call BS all you want, but I've ran over 5000 litres of Mohawk 94 dating back to 1998 and it has never performed as well as it should have. However, with alcohol injection on my Supra I could run 24 psi on stock turbos on 91 octane with no knock.

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Please enlighten us how you were able to get Mohawk 94oct since 1998 as only just 11 months ago Mohawk put the first 94oct pump in Calgary. I've been here 12 years and this has been the first I've heard of mohawk 94oct since 1998.

I have done may tests with different oct using toluene in the various fuels around Calgary. As is well know first delivery STI's knocked on anything below 94oct. I have proved this with Knock link and Delta dash as mine was the first STI in Calgary.

With Mohawk 94oct the the stock STI does not knock.
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Old 07-08-2004, 12:37 PM   #15
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I'm going to side with the 94 Octane at Husky being fine. No knock and a smoother idle than 91 anywhere else. I also had 4 days of Chevron 94 and didn't notice a difference.

Mohawk has 94 octane too?

Pre-Subie I would occasionally get a bad tank of gas, or hit the bottom of the gas station's tank and have problems ranging from knocking to serious engine death.

Maybe you (drdeuce) just had a bad tank.

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Old 07-08-2004, 12:39 PM   #16
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Anyone know if there are any 94 Octane pumps in E-town?
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No Husky 94 is E-town.

As far as I can tell none of the major chains sell 94 up north. Maybe Hughes or some smaller guy.

Let me know if you find it anywhere.

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I'm not understanding you very clearly... how can sea level and calgary be the same elevation same day, same temps, same boost and same timing. thats all impossible. what EMS are you using.. if it is stock its not the same timing. Also you said that "At Calgary elevation it didn't knock, but at see level it wouldn't stop knocking despite extremely low timing."

Or are you saying you drove from sea level to calgary on 76 92 Octane.

tell us exactly how you tested
Yahoo has PDX tuning at over 13 hours drive time. Wish my STI got that MPG/LPK. Must of taken some in his truck?

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Heres the deal,

I went to Portland with 60 litres in the trunk of my car of Husky 94 in two containers and filled the tank up there.

You guys are showing your inexperience. Mowhawk sold 94 octane thoughout alberta from at least 1997 and then canned it in 2000. They brought it back in 2003 after a three year absence. I obviously have bought more Mohawk 94 octane than anyone here and have never been impressed.

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Old 07-08-2004, 01:21 PM   #20
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Anyone know if there are any 94 Octane pumps in E-town?

Husky is working on it, and that was from a e-mail I got LAST year. IF there is enough demand they will have it here. However I don't think this is the case right now.
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The reason I took the gas with me to Portland is because all they sell in Oregon is 92 octane and PDFX wanted to tune it on the gas I use at home.

For what its worth, I noticed a similar thing with the 94 octane that I bought at Chevron in Washington state that states on the pump r+m/2. No knock.

And then I filled up witj 94 octane in BC at chevron where it also said r+m/2 on the tank and there was clearly much more knock. I would have thought that Chevron gas would be the same in Washington state and in BC, but clearly it was not and I filled up three times in BC all with the same results. If the gas was truely the same, it should have been better in BC because I was at higher elevation, but despite being at higher elevation it was still knocking.

Bottomline: Based in this limited experience I'm currently in the opinion that Canadian gas sucks. Possibly its more oxygenated. I don't know, but it doesn't matter as I'll be running staight ethanol this weekend as see how that improves things.

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I bought 94 when it came out in 97... you may be surprised... but its a totally different formula. but that does not change anything. you are talking about todays 94 octane vs todays 91 U76.

I lived in LA for 8 months and had one small container that made up 5 litres and the customs gave me a really hard time with it... i have no idea how you got your two over... heh I had two monitors and three suit cases granted lol

but anyways if you have logs post them all this talk is not productive just leads to flaming. Just post the logs with the octane number and we can analyze

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I'm going to side with the 94 Octane at Husky being fine. No knock and a smoother idle than 91 anywhere else. I also had 4 days of Chevron 94 and didn't notice a difference.

Mohawk has 94 octane too?

Pre-Subie I would occasionally get a bad tank of gas, or hit the bottom of the gas station's tank and have problems ranging from knocking to serious engine death.

Maybe you (drdeuce) just had a bad tank.

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Of course Husky 94 is going to be better than 91. But the point is based on my experience using Mowhawk/Husky 94 and using over 5000 litres of it, it just doesn't perform as well as it should compared to our american counterparts 94 octane.

Mowhawk used to sell 94 and was the only place to get it for years. Mohawk was bought out by Husky in 2003 and now they are the same compnay with the same gas.

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[quote]Originally posted by HOK
[b]I bought 94 when it came out in 97... you may be surprised... but its a totally different formula.

What makes you think that the present husky/mohawk 94 octane in calgary is any different than the 94 octane Mohawk sold 4 years ago throughout alberta? They both are a 10% blend with ethanol. Do you have any evidence to support that Husky/Mohawk has changed their formula in the last few years?

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I lived in LA for 8 months and had one small container that made up 5 litres and the customs gave me a really hard time with it... i have no idea how you got your two over... heh I had two monitors and three suit cases granted lol


Thanks [/b][/quote]

Getting the gas over the Border was no problem. They asked me what it was for and I said the purpose of my trip was to get my car tuned on the dyno using race gas. I of course told them it was expensive race gas and that it was made in the USA by VP. Never hurts to lie a bit.

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