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Old 07-03-2004, 02:08 PM   #1
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Default Pilot ps2 or Eagle F1 GS-TD3's 225/40/18"

Have the Pilot 225/40/18 Z rated NO Porsche on now.

stage 4 wagon Tien coilovers. In Oregon. Spirited driving.

Good reviews on both the Michelin ps2ís, and the Eagle F1 GS-TD3ís.

Anybody driving on one of these. It is hard to get away from Michelinís but Eagles sound pretty good.
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Old 07-03-2004, 03:57 PM   #2
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Recently got the Eagle GS-D3's and must say I like them even more than I thought I would. Wasn't crazy about the looks at first seeing them on Tirerack, but they have beautifully blocked shoulders and look GREAT once you get them on the car. Tread design has all the pizzazz of a Yankee's pin-stripe too. The look definitely grows on you.

Aesthetics aside, this is a great handling tire, slices through water like you are on dry pavement. Very comfortable and quiet for a summer tire. Higher treadwear rating than the Michelin.

Have read good things about the PS2 also, but for the price difference, the Goodyears are outstanding.
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Old 07-03-2004, 04:09 PM   #3
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Have read good things about the PS2 also, but for the price difference, the Goodyears are outstanding.

Ya, Talking to the guy at America's Tire, looking at tire racks assesment, is really close.

Michelin has the $50.00 rebate, but Goodyear has a $75 in groceries rebate... wuwt

Eagle has a LOT of tread, the ps2's look really old school, but people like them.

Need a ps2 opinoin.

Glad you like the Eagles.....thx
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Old 07-03-2004, 04:39 PM   #4
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I have the PS2s, and they are by far the best tire I have ever had on any car.
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Old 07-03-2004, 06:48 PM   #5
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Recently got the Eagle GS-D3's and must say I like them even more than I thought I would. Wasn't crazy about the looks at first seeing them on Tirerack, but they have beautifully blocked shoulders and look GREAT once you get them on the car. Tread design has all the pizzazz of a Yankee's pin-stripe too. The look definitely grows on you.

Aesthetics aside, this is a great handling tire, slices through water like you are on dry pavement. Very comfortable and quiet for a summer tire. Higher treadwear rating than the Michelin.
Have read good things about the PS2 also, but for the price difference, the Goodyears are outstanding.

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Are you an 18" rims. Do the sidewall feel soft, or about right

A_train, are you on 18" also?
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Old 07-03-2004, 09:08 PM   #6
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No, I've got the stockers--205/55-16s.

Your ride will be a little more harsh on the 18s. The sidewalls are decidedly on the soft side-- but I keep the tire pressure at only 34/30.
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Old 07-06-2004, 09:53 AM   #7
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they have beautifully blocked shoulders and look GREAT once you get them on the car. .........

Aesthetics aside, this is a great handling tire, slices through water like you are on dry pavement. Very comfortable and quiet for a summer tire. Higher treadwear rating than the Michelin.

I have 15,000 miles on my GS-D3's and they are worn down to the wear indicator

( this wear is all across the tire, not due to an alignment problem. Also I have rotated them numerous times, as I occasionally take the opportunity to do this after swapping on/off my Autocross tires)

Size is 225-50/16 on stock rims.

While they were AMAZING in the rain when new, they are now at the point where i have to be really careful of any standing water. I agree that they are quiet and comfortable, and fairly grippy, but those skinny tread blocks can chunk if you really push them hard. Sidewalls are a little soft when mouting a 225 on the 6.5 inch rim.

To me, a 15,000 mile lifespan makes it not worth buying this tire again. Had I gotten 22 to 24K out of them, I'd be OK with them.

I don't drive particularly hard, either, as my original RE92's lasted 22,000 miles before replacement.

It would be interesting to know if anyone has gotten 20,000 - 25,000 miles out of a set of GS-D3's ?


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Old 07-06-2004, 10:40 AM   #8
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I have 225/50/16 eagle f1 gs-d3's on RS 16 x 7 rims. very happy with them so far about 5k miles.
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Old 07-06-2004, 10:45 AM   #9
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I have 15,000 miles on my GS-D3's and they are worn down to the wear indicator

( this wear is all across the tire, not due to an alignment problem. Also I have rotated them numerous times, as I occasionally take the opportunity to do this after swapping on/off my Autocross tires)

Size is 225-50/16 on stock rims.

While they were AMAZING in the rain when new, they are now at the point where i have to be really careful of any standing water. I agree that they are quiet and comfortable, and fairly grippy, but those skinny tread blocks can chunk if you really push them hard. Sidewalls are a little soft when mouting a 225 on the 6.5 inch rim.

To me, a 15,000 mile lifespan makes it not worth buying this tire again. Had I gotten 22 to 24K out of them, I'd be OK with them.

I don't drive particularly hard, either, as my original RE92's lasted 22,000 miles before replacement.

It would be interesting to know if anyone has gotten 20,000 - 25,000 miles out of a set of GS-D3's ?


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If you got 22k miles out of the all season RE92's, 15k for the max perf. D3's doesn't seem that bad to me. I wouldn't expect the same life span from all seasons and summers. Maybe you just drive faster than you think you do?
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Old 07-06-2004, 11:32 AM   #10
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I'm sure I drive faster than your average Camry/Accord driver, but the 22K miles on the RE92's is similar to what other ( NASIOC) drivers get out of them.

On the other hand 15K miles, I think is subpar, even for a high performance tire.

It's a fairly new tire, so we don't know what the 'average' tread life will be on the street. It will be interesting to see if anyone has gotten 20 - 25K out of them.

Remember, they aren't completely gone at 15K, but they are at the wear indicators, and are noticeably less effective in the rain any more.

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Old 07-06-2004, 12:45 PM   #11
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My Pilot 225/40/18 Z rated NO have about 20k on them. I also have fox sport edition 18" rims. that are 23 lbs. I am considering going to lighweight 17" rims. Maybe 17 lbs but $$$$ yikes.. .

My 1/4 mile time was pretty slow 13.26 with a 276 whp stage 4. Most people are in 12's. Was my first time but had decent 0-60' and everything.101??? trap

But driving the country roads the 18" pilots have been grreat. Of course there all I've run, as my stockers look brand new
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Old 07-06-2004, 09:50 PM   #12
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I'm sure I drive faster than your average Camry/Accord driver, but the 22K miles on the RE92's is similar to what other ( NASIOC) drivers get out of them.

On the other hand 15K miles, I think is subpar, even for a high performance tire.

It's a fairly new tire, so we don't know what the 'average' tread life will be on the street. It will be interesting to see if anyone has gotten 20 - 25K out of them.

Remember, they aren't completely gone at 15K, but they are at the wear indicators, and are noticeably less effective in the rain any more.

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You would be lucky to get 15,000 out of most of the Maximum Performance tires on the market.

That is what maximum performance tires are about. They sacrifice ride, comfort, winter driving and treadlife for one purpose. To handle great while they last.

If you want more than 15-20k out of a set of tires, you will have to either drive less agressively, or buy a longer treadlife tire that doesn't offer the performance of the GS-D3, Pilot Sport 2, or S-03.
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Old 07-06-2004, 10:37 PM   #13
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I think most sti drivers are lucky to get 10000 miles out of stock rubber, 15000 sounds great for similar performance.
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Old 07-06-2004, 10:47 PM   #14
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hey. quit arguing...

Michelin ps2ís, or the Eagle F1 GS-TD3ís.

15k would be fine. What about going to 17" from 18" rims while I'm at it $$ (jeeze). Worth it performance wise.

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If you're autoXing I'd go with the PS2's but really neither are ideal. I have the 225/50/16 F1's and I really think they are a great (best I've ever had) street tire but not suited for AutoXing due to the softer sidewall compared to Azenis. If it's mainly a high performance street machine I would probably go with the F1's if it rains a lot where you live like the mid west or the PS2's for a place like Cali. Driving through deep puddles is awesome in the F1's
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Old 07-06-2004, 11:22 PM   #16
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...What about going to 17" from 18" rims while I'm at it $$ (jeeze). Worth it performance wise...
Saw your post in the Member's Car Gallery forum - your 18x7.5 Sport Edition's are pretty heavy at 23 lbs each

Easy to find a lighter 17x7.5 wheel - or even the 20lb 18x8 PFF7's for that matter - if you want to spend the money

for a real performance benefit, try 17x8 wheels and 235/40x17 tires - but you'll have to roll the fenders of your wagon

as far as GS-D3 vs. the PS2:
- PS2 better in the dry, but the GS-D3 is no slouch in that area
- PS2 has stiffer sidewalls - that may be an issue since you're used to the Pilot Sports. The GS-D3 may feel too soft by comparison
- GS-D3 will be much better at resisting hydroplaning - could be an issue in Pacific Northwest
- then again the PS2's will be better than your current Pilot Sports - any hydroplaning issues with them?

tough choice

another option:
Bridgestone S03's
- offers a stiff sidewall like the Pilot Sports you have and like now, but much better resistance to hydroplaning than the PS2 - right behind the GS-D3 in that respect
- but noisier than either and known for tramlining

there's no such thing as the perfect tire...
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Saw your post in the Member's Car Gallery forum - your 18x7.5 Sport Edition's are pretty heavy at 23 lbs each

Easy to find a lighter 17x7.5 wheel - or even the 20lb 18x8 PFF7's for that matter - if you want to spend the money

for a real performance benefit, try 17x8 wheels and 235/40x17 tires - but you'll have to roll the fenders of your wagon

as far as GS-D3 vs. the PS2:
- PS2 better in the dry, but the GS-D3 is no slouch in that area
- PS2 has stiffer sidewalls - that may be an issue since you're used to the Pilot Sports. The GS-D3 may feel too soft by comparison
- GS-D3 will be much better at resisting hydroplaning - could be an issue in Pacific Northwest
- then again the PS2's will be better than your current Pilot Sports - any hydroplaning issues with them?

tough choice

another option:
Bridgestone S03's
- offers a stiff sidewall like the Pilot Sports you have and like now, but much better resistance to hydroplaning than the PS2 - right behind the GS-D3 in that respect
- but noisier than either and known for tramlining

there's no such thing as the perfect tire...
No hydro planing issues.

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But slow 1/4 13.2, and AutoX times from 18' rims. Can out run most anything on country roads though.

They are the porsche no z rated pilots.

Tire rub is an issue. Got a baseball bat for fender roll. Not to sure about this old indian trick though...

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...Tire rub is an issue. Got a baseball bat for fender roll. Not to sure about this old indian trick though...
then I want to make sure you've seen this link:

http://www.andrews.edu/~johnsonm/howto/rollfender.html

from a previous post by Luke@Tire Rack

those that have done it say to use a heat gun on low or hair dryer to keep the paint from cracking
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Texas hospitality.

Been there. Nothing like it.
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then I want to make sure you've seen this link:

http://www.andrews.edu/~johnsonm/howto/rollfender.html

from a previous post by Luke@Tire Rack

those that have done it say to use a heat gun on low or hair dryer to keep the paint from cracking
Kids jr size bat worked great. Hot day and tender care took care of the paint problem.

Mich. ps2's it is.

Have been reading so much about unsprung weight. Changing my 23# 18" Sport Edition fox 2 wheels would make car handle better. I imagine it would also save on clutch, brakes, tranny.

Lots O money, tires AND wheels.

Trying to justify getting them. I know 23# at each corner is slowing me down. Tire rack has the Kazera 17". Would make ps2's less expensive....
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like the looks of the 18" wheel But

17" wheels are lighter (cheaper). Tire will have more sidewall thus be heavier.

You guys know this, but is the 17" wheel and tire setup better than the 18", for country road performance. Can get some, 18.5# 18" wheels, but 15# 17". Wheel weight does not go up to much from 17 to 18" on most styles.

Or point me to a good thread,

Tire weight seems to be a secret??
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Have been doing research on the F1 gs d3 and the Pilot Ps2.
I have slight tire rub with my 18x7.5" Pilot Sport no Porsche, 8.9" section width.

............18x 7.5"
The PS2 has a 9.2" section width and NA on tread.
The gs-d3 is a 9" section width and 7.2" on tread

know of any body running the Michelin PS2 on a wagon. I think they may be to wide.
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Before I go to a 17" rim. Does anybody know of a light weight five or six spoke 18x7.5" rim in sliver. The ones at Tire Rack are 7" which is too narrow for either 18" 225/40-18 PS2 or GS-D3. I don't have room for an 8" width on the coilover side.

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