Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Saturday May 28, 2016
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
Click here to visit TireRack
Tire & Wheel Forum sponsored by The Tire Rack

Losing traction? Need new tires?
Click here to visit the NASIOC Upgrade Garage...
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Tire & Wheel

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-04-2004, 11:28 PM   #1
thrillho
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 59816
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: bethlehem, PA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX
World Rally Blue

Default Good Summer AND Winter tires.

Subydude reccomends FALKEN Ziex ZE-512. I live in Pennsylvania where it snows in the winter and would like it to be decent in snow and good on dry pavement as well.

What do you guys think?
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
thrillho is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 07-05-2004, 01:58 AM   #2
Uncle Scotty
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 16200
Join Date: Mar 2002
Vehicle:
OK buy Nates beans
westcoastroasting.com

Default

You really can't have it both ways. I would get another set of Wheels and have summers and snows.

Many people who only have one ste like the Falkens or the Sumitomo HTR+'s.
Uncle Scotty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2004, 02:32 AM   #3
TGITI
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 63365
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Hanover, New Hampshire
Vehicle:
02' WRX Sedan
COBB Stage 1

Default

I run Dunlop SP5000 and they are pretty good in both snow and on dry pavement.


"The Dunlop SP Sport 5000 Ultra High Performance All-Season radial was developed to meet the year-round needs of today's sports car, coupe and sedan drivers by blending dry and wet road performance with light snow and slush traction." From:http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....0+Asymmetrical
TGITI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2004, 02:19 PM   #4
Howl
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 57830
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Centre of the Universe
Default

Look at the Nokain WR. They are suppose to be awesome in winter and better than most M+S in summer. If I was going with one tire all year that would be the first one I would consider.
Nokian WR
Howl is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2004, 02:31 PM   #5
Dave G
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 4738
Join Date: Mar 2001
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Philadelphia PA
Vehicle:
2006 Baja Turbo
Blue

Default

I have Dunlop SP5000 (high perf all-season tires) on my '97 Legacy GT. They are quite good on dry pavement, and wonderful on wet pavement. In the snow, they are very good. But, they are not in the same league as true winter tires.

On our '02 Outback, we used Dunlop M2's in the winter. Doing a comparison between these two cars, on the same road, at the same time, there is a difference. If you drive aggressively, that difference becomes more noticeable. If you drive like an old lady, you may not notice the difference between the two types of tires.

For the original poster, I'm also in Pennsylvania, so I'll tell this story:
My driveway is almost 300 ft long, on a slope. I often don't shovel/plow the driveway. After one snowstorm, there was 8-inches of unplowed/untouched snow on the driveway. Both cars got up the driveway no problem. When driven in a more spirited fashion, the M2's again had no problem. The SP5000's had some slippage, and that car couldn't go as fast, but those SP5000's did a remarkable job. My neighbors who have FWD Chrysler and Nissan minivans could not get up my driveway. A 2-yr old 4WD Dodge Durango could not get up the driveway in 2WD, and had lots of difficulty getting up in 4WD. A new Chevy Impala could not get up the driveway. A FWD Chrysler minivan with snow tires (I think they were Goodyear UltraGripIce tires) did get up my driveway.
This all occurred on the same day. It was a wonderful illustration of how tires make a huge difference on snow covered roads.

Based on experience, and info from others, the following get high recommendations as All-Season tires:

-Dunlop SP5000 (in hot summer temps, the soft sidwalls make themselves known when you feel the sidewall rollover; its the one bad aspect of the SP5000);

-Michelin Pilot Sport All-Season (people say these are phenomenal all-season tires, but the cost is high);

-Continental ContiExtreme Contact (these are cheaper than others, but some say they are prone to temporary flat-spotting if the tire pressures are low and if they are parked for a while).

-Nokian WR (formerly the NRW; these are supposedly all-season tires, but they are also true winter tires; possibly the best year 'round solution; however I bet you give up a lot in the summer; plus they probably wear out quicker in summer; these might be a good winter tire choice, that will carry you from October thru April).


I think everybody would agree that true winter tires, mounted on a second set of wheels, is the best way to go, if you have the money to buy them and the space to store them.
The following are good winter tire choices:

-Dunlop Wintersport M2 or M3;
-Michelin Pilot Alpin (Arctic Alpin is good, but is not a high perf tire);
-Pirelli Snowsport 210 or 240;
-Bridgestone Blizzak LM22;
-Nokian WR (some people really recommend these).


Before you buy winter tires, pay attention to the speed rating. A friend of mine bought Blizzak WS50's in a smaller size for an Audi TTq, because they were cheaper, but the speed rating is "Q". My friend said there was a huge difference in feeling with the winter tires, and that they felt squirmy and unsafe, because the difference was so dramatic, compared to the OE summer tires. Once my friend got used to the winter tires, my friend was back to driving very fast on the hwy and exceeding the speed rating limit (99mph) on those tires, which is very bad.
If you want to drive fast in the winter, and you want winter tires, get performance winter tires, such as the ones in the list above; and get them in the same size as your stock wheels/tires. Saving a few bucks on non-performance winter tires is not worth it. We don't have snow on the roads everyday in PA, so its not worth going to a smaller narrower size winter tire. You will end up hating those tires, and missing out on fun driving for months of the year.

EDIT (7/10/04) -- based on what others are saying, I've got to add the Pirelli PZero Nero to the list. And since everybody is writing glowing reviews, I'll probably buy a set.

Last edited by Dave G; 07-11-2004 at 01:49 AM.
Dave G is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2004, 04:55 PM   #6
CreoWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 19024
Join Date: May 2002
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: West L.A.
Vehicle:
2016 F80 M3
Alpine White

Default

I'd also recommend the Dunlop M2/M3. I used the 225/45/17 M2's over last winter in Erie, PA (can we say "lake effect snow"), and they got me through every snow/ice day just fine. My previous experiences in snow were a few days here and there in California/Utah. They were also good on the dry days where I was commuting between Erie and Cleveland.

-Mike-
CreoWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2004, 01:39 PM   #7
Jamesdak
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 14168
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Ogden Valley, UT
Vehicle:
2002 Blue WRX
Blue

Default

Well I live in PA also and got by just fine this winter with the Contiextremes. We've gotten a lot of ran this year also and these tires rock in the deep water at speed. I also drove through over 10 inches of unplowed snow last winter with no problems. Dry traction is pretty good but can't compare to that of my ACR Neon running Falken Azenis.
Jamesdak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2004, 02:51 PM   #8
gooter80
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 25519
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Burlington, ON, Canada
Vehicle:
2002 WRX
Steel Grey

Default

i have the Perelli P-Zero Nero's. amazing so far in the dry and apparently are pretty damn good in the winter as well. just another one to look at.
http://www.ca.pirelli.com/en_CA/tyre...productid=9163
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ero+Nero+M%26S
gooter80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2004, 03:03 PM   #9
SLKWrx
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 8247
Join Date: Jul 2001
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Sicklerville, NJ
Vehicle:
2004 STi JBP
1973 914

Default

I have had my P-Zero Nero M&S's for 2 winters now.. or one and a half, I'm not sure. I live in NJ and just finished college in central PA (PSU State College). The Nero's are perfect for all year round. I had a lot of confidence as long as I wasn't driving like a moron
SLKWrx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2004, 01:00 PM   #10
Jack
Add Lightness
Moderator
 
Member#: 13699
Join Date: Dec 2001
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Hopkinton, MA
Vehicle:
2004 45k mile Outbac
(From General)

Default

Best compromise tire for the money?

In my opinion......

RE-92's from a member who swapped for MX's or Azenis at low mileage and will sell them to you for about $10 a tire.

jack
Jack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2004, 04:01 PM   #11
bull3964
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 48928
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Vehicle:
'02 WRB WRX Sedan
'11 DGM WRX 5dr Premium

Default

Also in PA. I'm probably going to get the Pzero Nero M+S tires this fall. Just about any of the examples are better than the RE92s which really aren't THAT bad in the snow if you drive sensibly. I've driven two Pittsburgh winters (01/02 and 03/04) on them without much difficulty.

The BEST UHP AS tire for the snow would probably be the Contentials. I just don't think I need to compromise that much on dry performance to gain that extra snow performance.

I had KDWS for the winter of 02/03 and they were probably a little worse than the RE92s in the bad stuff. They just got so hard in cold temps and got clogged easily if the snow was somewhat deep. They were amazing in the dry, but I don't think I want to do another winter on them.

I had high hopes for the Kuhmo ASX which Luke said performed right behind the contentials in the snow, but their dry performance is starting to look a little shabby from the reviews that are starting to collect on Tirerack.
bull3964 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2004, 05:32 PM   #12
YinUCSD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 44945
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: santa monica, ca
Vehicle:
06 LGT wag
silver

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by gooter80
i have the Perelli P-Zero Nero's. amazing so far in the dry and apparently are pretty damn good in the winter as well. just another one to look at.
http://www.ca.pirelli.com/en_CA/tyre...productid=9163
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ero+Nero+M%26S
nero M&S all the way. more of a dry grip all season but seems to handle the snow ok. seems like the perfect all season tire.
YinUCSD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2004, 09:26 PM   #13
rexaroo
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 35732
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Denver,Colorado
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Wagon
Silver

Default

If you want one tire that does it all, winter and summer, then the snow capability for the winter better be pretty d**m good.
To me, there is only one tire that completely fits the bill--Continental ContiExtreme's. Rated #3 over-all at Tirerack, but the best in the snow. They give you about 80-85% of the snow traction of a dedicated winter tire, which is excellent for an all-season.
If you don't get that much snow, then the PZero M&S is best. PZero's have better summer performance than the Conti's, but the Conti's really aren't that bad in the dry--frankly, if you are trusting everything to one tire and you don't drive too aggressively, the Conti's are the way to go.
I've driven mine through 2 Colorado winters now, and their snow performance has been superb for an all-season.
rexaroo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2004, 10:49 PM   #14
thrillho
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 59816
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: bethlehem, PA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX
World Rally Blue

Default

Anyone have prices on all these? My dial-up isn't gonna handle searching.
thrillho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2004, 09:34 AM   #15
Valhakar
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 39514
Join Date: Jul 2003
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Avondale, AZ
Vehicle:
2003 WRX 2.5L Hybrid
Mostly Blue

Default

Toyo Proxies 4.

All weather Ultra high performance. You can get them from edgeracing.

I got mine for 420 mounted/balanced/disposal out the door from a local DC dealer.

They are 300 wear rating and grip like a claw. Best all weather tire for the WRX BAR NONE.

-Val
Valhakar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2004, 01:56 PM   #16
driggity
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 7453
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Bay Area, CA
Vehicle:
2014 Scion FR-S
Hot Lava

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Scotty
You really can't have it both ways. I would get another set of Wheels and have summers and snows.
I agree with this. After putting summer tires on my WRX I will never go back to running all-season tires year round.
driggity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2004, 02:12 PM   #17
Howl
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 57830
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Centre of the Universe
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Valhakar
Toyo Proxies 4.

All weather Ultra high performance. You can get them from edgeracing.

I got mine for 420 mounted/balanced/disposal out the door from a local DC dealer.

They are 300 wear rating and grip like a claw. Best all weather tire for the WRX BAR NONE.

-Val
I have Proxes 4 for my summer tires. They are probably the best M+S tire for spring , summer and fall. But, I wouldn't trust them in winter, looking at the tread. Probably worse than the RE92's.
Howl is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2004, 02:30 PM   #18
STX_REX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 25255
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: On the podium
Vehicle:
2002 WRX
MBP (I washed It)

Default Another vote for P-Zero Nero M+S

Reasonable performing dry grip, excellent wet and snow traction.
I only give it reasonable for dry grip because I drove on Azenis sports for a couple of summers (ultra lazy STXer), and that will spoil you something quick. Also, these are very quiet tires for their class.
STX_REX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2004, 02:49 PM   #19
Valhakar
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 39514
Join Date: Jul 2003
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Avondale, AZ
Vehicle:
2003 WRX 2.5L Hybrid
Mostly Blue

Default

Actually the tread will do well in the snow. Look at the cut angle of the grooves as well as the pattern. They are rolled. They will shed snow well as the wheel turns. I know they work great in 6 inches of mud.

The tread pattern is similar to allot of the new gen AWUHP tires.
Valhakar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2004, 03:47 PM   #20
SLKWrx
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 8247
Join Date: Jul 2001
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Sicklerville, NJ
Vehicle:
2004 STi JBP
1973 914

Default

Here are my top 3, with prices, I've owned the PZero's and the Sumi's, rode on the Conti's and didn't like how floaty they felt.

Size: 205/55-16 (OEM 16's) Prices a la Tirerack

1) Pirelli PZero Nero M&S $101/tire

2) Sumitomo HTR+ $59/tire (on special now)

3) Continental ContiExtremeContact $78/tire
SLKWrx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2004, 04:02 PM   #21
JT Clark
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 38112
Join Date: Jun 2003
Vehicle:
2003 Impreza TS
White

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Valhakar
Actually the tread will do well in the snow. Look at the cut angle of the grooves as well as the pattern. They are rolled. They will shed snow well as the wheel turns. I know they work great in 6 inches of mud.

The tread pattern is similar to allot of the new gen AWUHP tires.
I asked Luke about this awhile back and his response was that the compound makes a much greater difference. I had been looking at tread patterns too and couldn't figure it out either. Rubber is not rubber. They will act very differently in different temperatures.
JT Clark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2004, 04:17 PM   #22
RA29
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 30598
Join Date: Dec 2002
Vehicle:
2000 Lancer Evo 6
Hot Pink

Default

Dont get the Conti ExtremeContacts as they totally suck in the dry/wet. I just had a set mounted and they squeal like a pig even on easy corners and they were so easy to break loose. Previously i had a set of Bridgestone Potenza SO1s.

They might be good on the snow but they suck in the dry/wet. They also feel floaty...

Thinking of getting Michelin Pilot Sports PS2 or the A/S tires.
Anyone has experience with these?
RA29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2004, 04:20 PM   #23
YinUCSD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 44945
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: santa monica, ca
Vehicle:
06 LGT wag
silver

Default

ps2 and the A/s are totally different tires.

ps2 is summer

A/s is all season. unless youre talking about 'assymetrical', which i dont know if the pilot sports come in.
YinUCSD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2004, 04:53 PM   #24
Undepelo
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 34960
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: MD
Vehicle:
What would baby
Jesus say of OT?

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Howl
Look at the Nokain WR. They are suppose to be awesome in winter and better than most M+S in summer. If I was going with one tire all year that would be the first one I would consider.
Nokian WR
Undepelo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2004, 08:17 PM   #25
rexaroo
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 35732
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Denver,Colorado
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Wagon
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by RA29:
Dont get the Conti ExtremeContacts as they totally suck in the dry/wet. I just had a set mounted and they squeal like a pig even on easy corners and they were so easy to break loose. Previously i had a set of Bridgestone Potenza SO1s.
Mine did this too for the first 100 miles or so. But they were fine after that. You've got to get the shine off the tread and break them in a little.

Also, the Conti's are an all-season--they're not going to give you the same dry traction as a high-performance summer tire like the S-01's!
rexaroo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Set of Summer and Winter Rims and tires JasonOJordan Wheels/Tires 0 06-14-2009 05:26 PM
FS: winter rims and winter tires SubieWReX MWSOC Private Classifieds 10 08-06-2007 04:11 PM
Summer and Winter Brake Setup??? downeyer Brakes, Steering & Suspension 0 02-23-2004 11:03 PM
Summer vs. Winter tires boost_away South East Region Forum 4 02-17-2004 10:22 AM
is it bad to drive in summer with winter tires? tofu86 Brakes, Steering & Suspension 13 02-09-2002 12:10 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2016 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2016, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.