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Old 07-04-2004, 11:19 AM   #1
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Back Story: My neigborhood has a HOA. One of the covenants restricts certain breeds of dog, including Rottweilers. My neighbors have two Rottys (one older and one juvenile) and a Chocolate Lab. The Rottys are sweet face to face but look very intimidating. The chocolate lab is digger, she's also very skittish.

Over the last couple of weeks the lab and the juvenile Rotty have been digging out of their yard and roaming a bit. All of my other neighors are afraid of the Rottweiler, so I've rounded him up (the lab just runs away from me and goes back home) and taken him to his owners once; and twice, I kept him in my yard until they got home from work.

I got a call from my wife this morning that they were out again. I told her to go tell the neighbors since its Sunday and they're probably not at work. I guess she didn't do that right away or something, because I got a call about an hour later, she's in near hysterical tears. The dogs have killed her cat. Hazel (a male orange and white domestic short hair) has been with her longer than I have. He's never harmed anything bigger than a lizard and almost certainly didn't provoke the dogs at all.

I've been cordial with the neighbors about keeping their dogs under control, always trying to be helpful, but showing a little bit of annoyance as a means to prod them into responsible action, but I'm done with that now.

These dogs spend all day in the back yard with no supervision. They have practically no obedience training. Although I really do like the juvenile Rotty (its not his fault they don't keep him in line), I want these animals removed to more responsible owners or destroyed. I have no good reason to believe that they understand the difference between a cat and my one year old son or four year old daughter. I'm simply not willing to live with that kind of time bomb next door.

I'm really upset about this because I know it's going to strain my relationship with my neighbors. I think that they're really sweet people, they just aren't handling their **** well enough for my comfort.

I'm not sure what purpose this post has, because I'm not asking for help or assistance, i guess I'm just blowing off steam.


Cliff's Notes: Sweet but irresponsible neighbors have sweet but untrained Rottweiler that killed my wife's cat in my yard today.
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:25 AM   #2
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You've been more than understanding. Next time you round them up, ship them to the humane society or someplace that can care for them. If they're young/cute enough, they'll get new owners. If not, they'll be destroyed. Both options seem to meet your needs.

Your kids are WAAaaaay more important than the dogs. Besides, if your wife loved her cat as much as my wife loves her cat, she'll feel MUCH better and you'll come out as the good guy.
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:40 AM   #3
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call the animal police! maybe we'll see it on the animal planet some day.

but seriously, i wouldn't tolerate that.
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:42 AM   #4
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I would confront the neighbors about the cat - point out that the dogs aren't even supposed to be there, and now, because of their negligence, something important to you has been killed. At least give them the chance to do the right thing - if they are going to end up pissed off that you made them get rid of the dogs, you should make it very clear to them that you guys are very, very angry that their negligence lead to the death of your cat.

Is there a leash law where you live? If so, just call in the calvalry next time you see the dogs free (I think if you mention rotweiler, last time they killed our cat, the dogs are untrained, and there are lots of little kids in the neighborhood, animal control will respond quickly)
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:51 AM   #5
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We already called Animal Control , they are on skeleton crew for the holiday and won't do anything about it. I'll be calling Sheriff soon.
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:55 AM   #6
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Sorry for you loss.
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:55 AM   #7
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I LOVE dogs and cats. I have a Jack Russell and two cats actually. But these dogs need to go. Not only are they breaking the HOA rules, but they aren't trained. These neighbors need to either move or have a rescue take their dogs.
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:58 AM   #8
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Id be calling the cops... when the wife aint happy, no one is happy .

Seriously... We had two Rottweilers get out of their backyard when some kids were throwing rocks at them (my old neighborhood that was in the ghetto). The dogs hurt the one kid bad, but for some reason the other went psycho and almost killed a little innocent boy in his backyard.

Needless to say, the cops came and destroyed the animal in the street .

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Old 07-04-2004, 12:01 PM   #9
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....least give them the chance to do the right thing ...
... From NUNYO's post, sounds like they have had many many chances to "do the right thing".

Time to take a baseball bat to the owners, and then their dumb dogs.... or are you going to wait until the damn dog's use someone's kid as a chew-toy?
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Old 07-04-2004, 12:49 PM   #10
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One of our neighbors cats has been missing for about two and a half weeks. No body, or proof, but given today's happenings thing are definitely more suspicious.

The Sheriff's office will not dispatch a deputy to my house. From their perspective, this is Animal Control's problem. Animal Control is on "on call" duty only until Tuesday. With no immediate threat, the only thing I can get is a desk officer to call me and file a report over the phone.

After that call, I'll walk next door and have a rather unpleasant conversation with my neighbors. I expect that when I'll tell Sue that her dog killed my cat, she'll cry. She loves animals, she just doesn't comprehend taking responsibility for them.

Her animals are not at all unloved, they just aren't conditioned to behave appropriately. Hopefully they'll beable to put Emmet and Noble (the Rotweiler's) into rescue. Noble is really a sweet dog. Emmet probably won't survive. He's old and although I know he had nothing to do with this, (he never breaks out when the other two do) he'll have to go too, due to the HOA restrictions.

I really hope that I don't end up becoming the block prick over this. I know many of the other neighbors have expressed concern over these animals too. I think I might just be the only one that actually stands up and ends the situation.
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Old 07-04-2004, 01:07 PM   #11
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I just reread the HOA covenant's, I had heard from a neighbor that the Rottweiller's were not allowed. In fact the only breed specifically excluded is Pit Bull Terrier. Basically, at this point its looking like nothing is going to happen.

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Old 07-04-2004, 01:25 PM   #12
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I just reread the HOA covenant's, I had heard from a neighbor that the Rottweiller's were not allowed. In fact the only breed specifically excluded is Pit Bull Terrier. Basically, at this point its looking like nothing is going to happen.

maybe telling your neighbor that her dog killed your cat, she will start to control them better? Its kinda like you are lighting the fire under her arse

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Old 07-04-2004, 01:27 PM   #13
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Old 07-04-2004, 01:47 PM   #15
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Talked to the neighbor. She was really sorry, but I think that most of what she told me was lip service.

Supposedly she'll be keeping the dogs in the house and crated during the day. She also said that they'd be outside with the dogs when they go out. (I don't believe that.)

The husband has been pretty upset about all of this and wants to contain the animals better, he just isn't moving very quickly about it. They've looked into the invisible fence thing, but can't afford it right now. He can bury chicken wire, but he's not in the physical condition to do the whole fence, so it'll just be another patch until they find another place to dig.

Its actually his fault. He's so paranoid that something bad will happen that they never take the dogs out for walks. The dogs don't get any socialization.

The dogs aren't even allowed to establish their hierarchy because the owners are afraid of the fighting. Emmet (the older) thinks he's the alpha, and why shouldn't he? He gets to sleep on the bed. Noble is physically the alpha, and without the interference of the owners would definitely establish dominance and things would settle down a lot I think.

All of this is due to the ignorance of people. It frustrates the hell outta me. The wife even mentioned that they might possibly be getting rid of Noble, because they can't handle all the chaos that's been going on since he arrived.

I'm considering offering to adopt him myself, but I can't imagine that would go over nicely with my wife at all. This sucks.
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Old 07-04-2004, 02:15 PM   #16
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Well that's that I guess.

Hazel's buried and gone. I really didn't think that I'd have to explain death to my daughter so soon. She's only four.

Thanks, for your kind words and thoughts.
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Old 07-04-2004, 03:14 PM   #17
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Sorry to hear about that Nunyo. Might I suggest some form of netting you can toss around the dog? If they ever get lose, throw a decent size netting over them and let them sit there until their owners get them out.
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Old 07-04-2004, 03:21 PM   #18
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I just reread the HOA covenant's, I had heard from a neighbor that the Rottweiller's were not allowed. In fact the only breed specifically excluded is Pit Bull Terrier. Basically, at this point its looking like nothing is going to happen.

Wrong. File a report with the local animal control for "Agressive dog" report. The fact that it has killed another animal is one strike. Some towns has one-two strikes you're out laws.

Go do your homework.

I personally feel that once an animal has killed it will get worse. My friends brother had a dog like this. Killed some of their other dogs and then finally attacked their 1 year old daughter.

Why wait until it ruins someone's kids life? Get rid of agressive animals NOW.
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Old 07-04-2004, 03:23 PM   #19
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Might I suggest a shotgun?

I love animals, but I love my wife and daughter more. Don't let anything bad happen to them.

The owners should be bending over backward to help you out and responsibly take care of their dogs. You have been WAY more understanding than I ever would be.

Don't worry about the neighbors, it sounds like they'll back you, and if not, well, only you are responsible for your family.

Don't let your kids out without being out with them (and keep a bat or pepper spray handy).

Sorry your weekend sucks...Hope it gets better.
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Old 07-04-2004, 03:27 PM   #20
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Go out and shoot those 2 dogs. You got a ticking time-bomb on your hands. Like you said, in time those 2 dogs will not be able to differentiate a cat from your 2 little children. And the owners of the dogs should be shot as well. Keeping dangerous animals like that. Don't put off or delay. Do you wanna wait for the inevitable and come home one day to see that the dog has possibly mauled your children?
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Old 07-04-2004, 03:33 PM   #21
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Next time they get out. put them in your backyard and call animal control. The neighbour may hate you, but the rest of the neighbourhood will be glad. (obviously the other one isnt a problem if it doesnt get out of the pen, and the chocolate lab just runs away)
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Old 07-04-2004, 03:42 PM   #22
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I just reread the HOA covenant's, I had heard from a neighbor that the Rottweiller's were not allowed. In fact the only breed specifically excluded is Pit Bull Terrier. Basically, at this point its looking like nothing is going to happen.


No, the cat, even though was a living animal, is considered property. Your neighbors dog(their property) killed that cat, therefore they are responsible for any damages.

Have they made any offer to reimburse your wife?? If not you need to bring this up to them, if they refuse then there is always small claims court. They should definatly pay for cremation of the cats body.

Now most states, have leash laws, and these laws also include cats(most people dont know this). This could be their defense. If you dont want to take to small claims court, insist that they pay for the cats cremation and maybe a new kitten. Also put your foot down and make them aware that if you see the dogs loose again, you will call animal control.

Also if they leave the dog outside unattended, more than 6 hours without food or water, I believe that is considered neglect and punishable by $500, well at least here in Maryland.

You have options, you just need to take action. Dont concern yourself with neighbor relations, if they were good neighbors they would insure proper care for their animals

edit: Dont shoot the animals, unless they are attacking you or your family. Youre asking for loads of trouble if you do that.
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if i'm not mistaken, in georgia, there's a $100 fine per dog for loose dogs not on a leash. hate to do that to your neighbor, but that'll make them work on getting their fence secure.

out of curiosity, do dogs dig through gravel or do they give up after realizing it's a pain?
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Old 07-04-2004, 10:52 PM   #24
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We'll file the report with animal control on Tuesday, when they reopen. As for insisting that they pay for the cremation, I'd rather that any money they have for this sort of thing go towards securing their yard. Also I already buried Hazel in our backyard under a tree near my daughters swingset, so that he'll still be close by when she misses him.

The leash law in our county does not apply to cats, we checked before we started allowing our cat to go outdoors.

The animals are left outside, but they definitely have water during the day.

We aren't going to get a kitten, but after seeing how sad my dog was to lose his four legged companion we'll probably get another dog (wife wants a border collie).

As it now stands with the neighbor, she is genuinely sorry, and did ask what, if anything, she could do. Honestly the only thing she can do is keep her animals secure. We will be documenting every failure to do so, from now on, with animal control.

By having kept the dog in my yard the last couple times he's gotten out, instead of calling animal control, I've put myself in the current situation where I can't have the animals removed from them. This is very frustrating to me. The lesson is, that I should never give anybody a break, because it results in enabling their irresponsible behavior and ultimately hurts me. It's sad that this is how our world operates.
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It's sad that you're a such a pansy. Not to be harsh dude, but you've had every opportunity to fix this. Animal control will fix it. Call them the next time you see the dogs out.

F your neighbors.
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