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Old 10-25-2000, 09:51 PM   #1
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Post Just got more upgrades! Chip and Brakeline review!

I nickel and dimed it again :}. I just got the JC Sports Torque chip and braided brake lines installed. Along with my intake, exhaust and sway bar, I'm even more attached to this vehicle now. John did all the work and it didn't take him long. It's not really strange any more to walk in there and see Kevin on the computer, John working on a car, and Joel welding something.
As for the drive...the braking is a whole different story now. I'm hesitant to tap the brakes as hard in turns now. The sponginess from the stock feel is gone. It's as immediate as the throttle is now. I'm happy to say that an intake, exhaust, and chip is well worth it :}. It had a horrible flat spot above 4000 if you romped the gas. Now it picks up and goes. It's not a turbo, but it's a nice power increase. This was noticed upon IMMEDIATE INSTALL. The chip was installed with the intake and exhaust already on it. Anyone who says the chip doesn't make power immediately is full of it.
You're car has to be in the right state of "mistune". It was running lean, as a '00 lean burn engine should. The torque chip provides a mild fuel increase throughout the rev range. It doesn't affect timing, because the man who programmed it told me so. It was just the right tweak for what the car is now.
The engine, suspension, and brakes have all been tweaked, and only slightly. If there was anything it now begs for, it's better springs and struts.(Down mister checkbook. stay....good boy.)
I would recommed this set of upgrades to anyone looking to keep the car mild enough, and well balanced. It's also under a thousand dollars for all of this, too. Well under it if you know how to shop. I guess I'll make up my mind what to buy next when all of this gets boring :}.

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Old 10-25-2000, 09:57 PM   #2
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Glad you like your mods!

So just upgrading to SS brake lines will dramatically improve the pedal feel even with the stock dual-stage booster?

It would be interesting to get some EGT or A/F readings on this torque chip, especially since others have said the MY00 runs rich in the first place. Mine only seems to run rich (barely) at WOT & sometimes a little lean at part throttle. So richening the mixture at WOT doesn't seem like the right idea, IMO. Technically, & on my car, anyway.
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Old 10-25-2000, 11:57 PM   #3
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You will notice a difference in pedal feel with just the lines. I drove kastle's car (with the SS lines), and then got back into mine (with stock lines) and almost rolled through the 1st stop sign before I slammed the breaks. Pedal feel is significantly different, but is easy to adjust to after driving it a bit.

Needless to say mine has the lines on it now as well

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Old 10-26-2000, 12:20 AM   #4
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if only SS lines were G Stock legal
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Old 10-26-2000, 07:42 AM   #5
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So run STS or STR (assuming STR isn't nixed for 2001).
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Old 10-26-2000, 08:25 AM   #6
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Which lines you pick up? Are there more than 1 manufacturer? Who carries them. I know I could check all the hundreds (okay dozens) of Parts Sites but I've not got that much time.

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Old 10-26-2000, 07:26 PM   #7
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Sorry to get back so late, I only log on at night after work. I'm not sure who makes the SS lines, they were just the upgrade I wanted. Like a good little yuppie, I got them :}. The chip was an after thought...an impulse buy. It always needs something to go faster if I'm gonna go to that kind of trouble.
It's got better power all across the rev range, now. Quarter mile times are rumored to drop another 1/2 second with the chip after the intake and exhaust. 16.5ish translates to about 15.3 at sea level. N/A 14's is a total possibility.
The top revs of each gear have been improved quite well. I'm hesitant to say "dramatic", but it's a nice little boost. I pushed it to 100 in fifth today. I felt like the road needed to be longer before I pushed it. It wanted to go a touch faster in the upper regions of fifth, but it wasn't something I was thrilled to try. It wasn't as much fun as the rest of the ride at lower speeds through turns.
It's a much better car powering out of turns now, though. With the brake lines, engine mods, and sway bar, I can enter, proceed through, and exit turns much faster now. It's fun no matter how you look at it .

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Old 10-27-2000, 10:40 AM   #8
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Ummm na 14S off a torque chip? Maybe if you were talking cobbs heads with na cames, intake and exhaust... but a torque chip? I think maybe your butt dyno needs calibrated.
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Old 10-27-2000, 12:45 PM   #9
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NONONONO!!! Not N/A 14's on this set up...it still needs things like, a header, high flow cats, yadda yadda. Even my cold air scoop intake is prolly only worth another 10th or 2 at the most. Don't bother flaming me about this, we've all gone over it before. N/A 14's is only a matter of time...so are 13's and eventually 12's...it's just money.
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Old 10-27-2000, 03:12 PM   #10
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where did you get your chip and for how much?
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Old 10-27-2000, 06:58 PM   #11
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JC Sports sells them for $225.00 I believe. Hope this helps. Also, burninrubber, you said that it made it run richer. From what I understood(probably wrong) '00's run rich already. I know mine does.
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Old 10-28-2000, 01:35 AM   #12
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According to John, JC's "head mechanic" as far as I know him, it runs rich at low rpms and lean at high rpms. The chip is still learning, so it was sometimes rich at low/mid rpms. It had a small hesitation but it dissappeared. Above 4 grand is really kinda fun now. It just keeps pulling. Hehe, pop the clutch at 3 grand and you get a good bark out of the front tires, but then it lunges and goes. I'm not sure what 4 grand would yield...I kinda like my tranny.
I got a chance to test it going up HWY 70 into the mountains today. Just outside of Golden, CO 70 rises from about 5600 to 8000 feet in less than 5 miles. It's the steepest thing close to Denver. Normally cars gear down to get up this hill, or just won't accelerate at all. It's a good testing ground.
It now pulls merrily up that hill passing most everything that still can't accelerate up it. It pulled willingly to about 85 and then wanted to poop out. Fifth could hold its own better and didn't want to bog.
The brakes on the way down were fantasic. It immediately hunkered down and slowed faster than stock, better than I expected. Rotors and calipers should prove to be an interesting upgrade. Still lovin' it!

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Old 10-28-2000, 02:04 AM   #13
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If I have a S-AFC, do I need the torque chip??? I guess not, right??

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Old 10-28-2000, 11:01 AM   #14
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If he's right, and all it alters is fuel, and not timing, the SAFC is probably better...
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Old 10-29-2000, 12:55 AM   #15
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This is what Joe Cox posted a while back - the torque chip also eliminates the timing retard after repeated and multiple full throttle runs. So while it does not alter timing, it keep the max timing advance available more often.

Also, I did the SS brake line upgrade today and while pedel feel and stopping power is much better, it is just that much easier to get the stock brakes to smoke now

Looks like we both need upgraded rotors and pads...

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Old 10-29-2000, 08:22 AM   #16
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I told you it was worth it Larry! I wasn't aware of the chip getting rid of the timing retard. I'm interested in seeing what that top speed test will yield. But, my insurance rates havenever been this low before...I'm kinda hestitant. It was good talking to you yesterday. I'm jealous of your car now :P.

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Old 10-29-2000, 04:22 PM   #17
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skip the wrench, go with the vice grips! i tried the wrench too and gave up. the vice grips worked great!
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Old 10-29-2000, 10:22 PM   #18
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Burninrubber, you're right... I finally had a chance to wind out my MY00 today & I noticed that it does run noticeably lean at high rpms. The EGT's were well on their way to 1500 from 4500-redline in 4th.

I'm running about a -4% correction on the low end & that eventually turns into +4% at the top end.
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Old 10-30-2000, 01:45 AM   #19
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What kind of wrench did you use for the 10mm fitting thats attached to the wheel well? My 10mm craftsman comb. wrench keeps on stripping away at it. Pretty soon I will have to break out the vice grips.
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