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Old 10-22-2000, 08:35 PM   #1
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Hi, i was just wondering what is the majority preference for short throw shifters among the club. It will be used primarily on-road but rarely off-road(like birthdays or days off)Thanks all
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Old 10-22-2000, 08:38 PM   #2
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www.kartboy.com
shifter combo for 125.00 shipped
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Old 10-22-2000, 09:43 PM   #3
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I have the STi shift kit with CUSCO bushings (they are much harder) but had I not gotten it so cheap (eBay, like $150....for the whole shift kit.... I made out) I was already headed in the direction of a kartboy kustoms shifter, and I think you will find many people feel the same way. Get the bushings too! They help make a world of difference!

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Old 10-23-2000, 11:51 AM   #4
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the Kartboy is made for '97 and later. i learned the hard way.

attn: tom and mark
teagues auto advertises your shifter for '93-2000 imprezas. i found that the shift linkage changed in '97.
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Old 10-23-2000, 01:00 PM   #5
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For a how to on installing the bushings and shifter go here:
http://www.azscooby.com/

I replaced an STi shifter lever and bushings this weekend with a kartboy shifter and bushings. The Kartboy bushings are much harder than the STi's plus they are solid. Also the shifter is quiet a bit shorter too. I'll have pics on the AZScooby site before long of comparisons of the OEM RS, STi and Kartboy shifter and bushings.

FWIW the STi bushings feel ever so slightly firmer than the stock RS bushings. But the difference between those and the Kartboy ones are huge.

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Old 10-24-2000, 12:21 AM   #6
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We like the Billet Aluminum shifter or the
Kartboy. The aluminum is a little shorter,
but a little more expensive.
www.autocaresubaru.com
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Old 10-24-2000, 12:45 AM   #7
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I have the SYMS shifter, and love it. It is expensive but IMHO worth every penny. This topic is covered quite often (or it seems). You may want to try a search.

But to answer your question: "What is the majority preference for short throw shifters among the club." I believe the kartboy is the most popular by far.
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Old 10-24-2000, 08:19 AM   #8
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I do have to change that on my web site because it is a error. I apologize for any problems it may have caused.

Dale Teague (Teague's Auto)
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Old 10-24-2000, 08:39 PM   #9
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I have the cobb tuning short throw I love it. I have not had any problems as far as rattling or such. I'm not saying the Kartboy is not any better, I just had access to the cobb an thought I would try it. So far so good.
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Old 10-24-2000, 08:42 PM   #10
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I love my Kartboy shifter & bushing. It's not the kind of thing you think you need until you actually try it! It feels so damn solid, & you can't beat the price.
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Old 10-24-2000, 10:35 PM   #11
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By shifter I assume you mean lever (and bushings perhaps).

How about replacing the complete linkage? I believe the improvement is greater when the entire unit is upgraded. Anyone do a comparison?

Mike Shields sells a Prodrive shifter. Who has one?

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Old 10-25-2000, 06:24 PM   #12
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I have one of the very few RalliSpec Short throws with their Delrin Bushings. Its the shortest I've felt in Subaru shifters. I love it!
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Old 10-25-2000, 06:29 PM   #13
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Don I have the same. but with a STI bushing.
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Old 10-25-2000, 06:48 PM   #14
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neone else have the complete linkage?
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Old 10-25-2000, 06:56 PM   #15
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I have the complete linkage - SYMS. It's very smooth. I just ordered kartboy's bushings, though, as his are stiffer than the ones that come with the SYMS linkage. Replacing the linkage is not fun, though, due to a small pin that you have to punch out of the linkage that attaches to the tranny.

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Old 10-25-2000, 07:15 PM   #16
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The STi lever and bushings I replaced had the replacement STi linkage too, it's a whole kit I guess. I didn't feel any difference between that and my Kartboy setup and OEM linkage really after the install of the lever and bushings in his car.
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Old 10-25-2000, 11:56 PM   #17
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Agggg... i need clean underwear. I just put in my Kartboy shifter/bushings. Wow. Simply amazing.

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Old 10-26-2000, 11:35 AM   #18
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I've got the kartboy and bushings, but haven't replaced the bushings yet (too lazy). Love it so far. A little stiff at first, but now it feels stock but with shorter throw and a lot of notchiness to it.
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Old 10-26-2000, 01:47 PM   #19
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Ok, I was pondering the idea of forking out the cash, 300+, for a syms unit.
this is what I received as a response. Can anyone verify it? (I don't doubt it, but I'd like to have some clarification)

I have verified that all the peices
of the symms except the shifter arm and
link arm (shift arm to trans. nuckel)
are the exact same as the stock RS 2000-
01. Same manufacturer, same parts. I
have the symms and it is a waste of
money and time to switch parts with
exact same parts. Get the kartboy and
bushing combo and save $210 and get the
STi eng/trans mounts.

Symms was a good idea with the older
Subaru shifters but now Subaru uses the
same parts.

Edit: The Symms is no smoother than
stock! The nochiness is from inside the
trans, or if you have the nut too tight.
I got the Symms because I thought it was
going to be smooth. It is not any
different than stock. Also some sites
say the symms is 40% shorter throw that
stock. It is not for the 2000-01 years.
I would say 20% shorter (1 inch total
throw less).

If you must have Symms type shifter.
send your stock shift arm and (arm to
nukle)arm to me and I will alter it to
the same ratio as the symms. The main
differance in feel between the stock,
subaru performance, and the Symms is the
latter two don't have the dampner which
gets rid of some slop and the ratio is
shorter.

I'm not doubting, I just want confirmation. Thanks
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Old 10-27-2000, 12:34 AM   #20
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i have an adjustable racing shifter.
you can raise it up, down, left, right, foward and back.
this is really easy for you to set to your preference. It also give a short throw.
PM me if you want to know more details
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