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Old 01-08-2001, 06:34 PM   #1
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Angry Help! My manual tranny is sticking in gear!

I've never had a problem before, I don't abuse the car, and I have no performance mods, or tranny/shifter mods to speak of. Whats happening is taht the car is really hard to put into 1st or 2nd, but when I get to 3rd, 4th, 5th, or reverse, its like normal flick of the wrist shifting. When I have to move from a stop, it takes some pressure to get it into first. It started about 20 min. ago, after I left a parking lot, and it was much worse at first. By the time I got home, it was better, but not normal. Did I throw a shifter bushing? Has anyone ever run into anyhting like this? I'm going to call my dealership tomorrow, but in the meantime, if anyone has any ideas, please let me know. The car only has 6400 miles. Thanks for the help!

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Old 01-08-2001, 10:35 PM   #2
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Ugly story. It's fine in 3rd-5th right away, with no warmup required? As it warms up, does the feel of all gears change, or only 1st and 2nd? If the answers are Yes and Only 1st and 2nd, plan to leave it at the dealer.
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Old 01-09-2001, 05:17 AM   #3
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If the feel of the gears changes while it warms up that's bad? I always thought that was normal

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Old 01-09-2001, 09:56 AM   #4
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I usually have that problem on really cold mornings. I figure it is because it is a Subaru tranny and because of the dealer tranny fluid I still have in there. Double pumping the clutch and/or tossing it into second, then first will usually resolve. Once the car is warmed up, shifting is fine (this, again, leads me to the tranny fluid).

Good luck and keep us posted with what the dealer says.

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Old 01-09-2001, 10:48 AM   #5
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It's probably the cold. My '97 OBS is doing the same thing. The rain that froze last night didn't help either. Try switching to synthetic gear oil. Your head may hurt after reading this, but here's some info: http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/Foru...ML/000767.html
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Old 01-09-2001, 11:31 AM   #6
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Well, i know its definitely not the cold. You'd have to try shifting gears to see how it feels. It's super hard to get into first and second, the rest are flock of the wrist normal. Ah well. I wanted to see if it would still be around today, and sure enough, its worse as ever. Time to call teh dealer. I'll keep you guys posted.

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Old 01-09-2001, 02:35 PM   #7
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I had the exact same problem with mine. 1st and 2nd very tough to get into in the cold, the rest of the gears normal. Improves as tranny warms.

PK what do you think it is that made you groan? I told mine to the dealer and they claimed the couldnt find anything wrong. (it wouldnt shift into second at all before, and was very stiff when they gave it back) If I can point them in the right direction it would be very helpful.
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Old 01-09-2001, 10:01 PM   #8
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If 3-5 are fine right away then it's not a problem with the linkage. Just cold ambient temperatures wouldn't produce a problem with 1 and 2 only. Bad synchro most likely. Memnoch, it is normal, the problem is when some gears change and others don't. If they all get better when it warms up that's good.

Stmipy - I know just what you're talking about, new transmission fluid can almost completely fix that problem.

Midwayman - wouldn't go into 2nd at all? What did they [claim to] do? Was it any different going from 1st to 2nd than going 3rd to 2nd? Did anything else change after the dealer mechanics did whatever they did?
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The dealer said he lubed the linkage... Though I have a feeling whatever happened just got jostled enough to let it get into 2nd again. Even first was really tough. Personally I think it sort of fixed itself. now, about a month later, the gears all work fine when warm, but I have to double clutch first and second when cold. Probably got a damaged synchro, and the burr or whatever chewed itself off enough to sort of work again. I wish I could get them to look inside the transmission, especially since Im going to turbo my car soon, and know they wont cover the gears after that. Trouble is, dealer wont pull the tranny unless I can *prove* something is seriously wrong. Everytime I take it in I get, oh thats normal,or cant reproduce. BS...... They just dont want to do the work.
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Old 01-09-2001, 11:58 PM   #10
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The dealer told you he "lubed the linkage"? Actually, all the linkage is internal on an RS. The only thing sticking out of an RS tranny is the shift rod, and your shifter is attached via a universal coupling. The movement of the shift rod is is extremly limited. Less than one inch in/out and left/right. The problem is the original tranny fluid. Especially if you live in a very cold area of the country. The "dino oil" 75-90 turns into pudding. You will notice a great improvement by switching to a quality synthetic. The tranny holds 3.7 US quarts, but I make it 4 even. I was using Redline 75-90NS and still had an occasional "grind" on the 1-2 or 3-4 shift. I made a "radical" and "dangerous" and "unproven" move and put in 4 quarts of Mobil synthetic ATF and my tranny shifts absolutely perfectly. Even reverse goes in without any objection what-so-ever! No more grinds, and even after letting my car sit for 4 days without driving, it still goes into gear like butter.

Disclaimer: Everyone says I'm out of my freakin mind to put ATF in my manual tranny. Do so at your own risk, but you will LOVE the way it shifts.......


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ARG- any particular weight, or just mobil one ATF oil? Might try that.
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Hi Midwayman. I used Mobil-1 synthetic ATF. What you can do is drain your existing factory oil into a clean pan so that you can put it back in if you don't like the ATF. I think that you will be PLEASED with the results of the synthetic ATF. But remember, I am the first person to do this and you will be the second. I only have 2000 miles on my car since the ATF switch. I drove my car from LA to San Diego at over 95 mph and I had no problems. I am checking the fluid every 1000 miles right now looking for color or odor changes. So far, everything is perfect. A lot of people stated that I will most likely shorten the lifespan of the bearings by using ATF, but that remains to be seen. My decision to switch to ATF is based on the fact that many manual transmissions do in fact use ATF as a gear oil.

Do the switch and please post your results. NOW!!!

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If what you have described is correct then I highly doubt it is just the transmission fluid. 3-5 would be proportionally worse just as 1st and 2nd if that was the only issue. A synchro problem sounds likely, but you didn't mention whether it is bad downshifting into 2nd as well as upshifting into second... I assume that it is not, and the problem is isolated to the 1-2 shift. That screams synchro.

Are you going to Roto? They screwed me one time, I don't trust them. Take your RS to Metric, they will most likely be more proactive in diagnosing and fixing the problem.
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