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Old 10-16-2000, 10:47 PM   #1
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Question Shifter comparo-Kartboy vs. Cobb vs. Larry's

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I am interested in getting a new short-shift lever for my car. I've heard good things about the Kartboy shifter; it seems to be the benchmark. How do the Cobb and Larry's shifters compare? I've also heard really good things about both of the other companies as well. I guess the crux of my question would be dimensions and performance-who has the shortest throw, best build, etc. Thanks.

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Old 10-16-2000, 11:06 PM   #2
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larry has a short shifter? there's STi which is the benchmark...then cobbs and kartboy's ....I feel kartboy's is the best for the buck ....but the STi short shifter is still the best
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Old 10-17-2000, 05:40 AM   #3
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has NE1 compared the Cobb and Kartboy levers yet?? I know they are about the same price except that Kartboy's bushings are cheaper and the CUSCO ones that Cobb offers. Wonder the advantages of the roller bearing in the Cobb unit.

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Old 10-17-2000, 05:48 AM   #4
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Maybe I'll let you know, since I just received a Cobb Short-shifter and Cusco bushings UPS yesterday for installation in my 98 GT Wagon. Frankly, after taking a look at the Shifter and the mounting hardware you start to wonder if a little rubber/plastic isn't so bad. The ball is solid steel too. Thought I'd get the Cuscos in first and see what a diff they make, and try the shifter next if I'm still unhappy with the action.
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Old 10-17-2000, 11:46 AM   #5
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How about Symms, I thought they were the best for road race applications and sti was for rally.

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Old 10-17-2000, 07:30 PM   #6
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The shifter's that I have listed on my website for sale are STi replica shift levers without the extra linkage. It looks and feels identical in every way to a Japanses STi lever I've seen and held.

It will reduce lever travel substantially, but with about 1" more lever travel than Kartboys. It is made in Taiwan, therefore it is the least expensive lever out there.

Personally, I like my SYMS shifter with full linkage replacement that is on my car, but it was $385 shipped vs $79.95 shipped for the lever I sell. With some $35 bushings from kartboy, the STi replica should not only reduce lever travel, but feel great when shifting as well.

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Old 10-17-2000, 07:46 PM   #7
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The Kartboy Kombo sells for 125.00 shipped.
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hopefully i'll hook up with Trey at SEMA and we'll see who gets the short end of the stick!
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Old 10-17-2000, 07:48 PM   #8
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Well, I got the CUSCO bushings in this evening. Not too tough as long as you've let the exhaust cool adequately. Must admit they make a whole lot of difference, with 5-4 and 3-2 shifts much more positive, as well as upshifts being much more solid. Now to let the "better half" drive it for a few days and see what she thinks.
I don't know.... I really think I'll have to install the COBB Shifter as well to see what's to be gained. Very solid piece of work, but I'm concerned about effort, and with the solid bearing mount, NOISE!!!! Let ya know in a coupl'a days.
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Old 10-18-2000, 05:28 AM   #9
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I have the Cobb Shifter. Make sure you load the roller bearing full of grease or else it will buzz like a son of a ..itch.

Also, I think the Cobb shifter is the only one out there that doesn't have a bend in it. This angles the lever back more. In addition, the linkage is raised up enough that there is a slight interference between the linkage and the plate that holds the rubber dust guard down. The interference only occurs in 1st and 3rd and is not noticeable while shifting. Only under certain situations, (1st or 3rd gear, high rpms, while making a hard turn) does the linkage vibrate against the plate. With all the other rattles in my car, I don't find this to be all that big of a deal.
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Old 10-18-2000, 05:33 AM   #10
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I have the kartboy shifter, and I love it. For the money it is the best shifter, at least I think so. Best mod I've done to my car for the money.
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Old 10-18-2000, 05:38 AM   #11
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Scottie,

Funny you should mentino packing the bearings with grease. I have had Trey's shifter for about 3 months now and I just noticed a rattle from the bearings this last weekend.

And I cut the metal plate to clear the shift rod where it rubbed. Mine was very hard to get into 1st before I did that.

But I am very happy with the shifter. I only wish there was one that had even shorter throws (with the same height). But I am not sure if that is possible to engineer.
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Old 10-18-2000, 08:52 PM   #12
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thanks for the input. for those people who have installed the cobb shifter and had to trim the plate, was that in a my98 or later? i drive a my98 and i was wondering if that would make a difference in the install. thanks.

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Old 10-18-2000, 10:34 PM   #13
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i have designed the kartboy shifter to be a simple direct bolt in. no other modifications are needed to install the shifter. it will for 1998-2001.
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Old 10-18-2000, 10:44 PM   #14
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And boy is it sweet. The stock shifter sucks. 2nd biggest problem with the feel of the car after the gooey engine and tranny mounts.

I had the Kartboy, but I'm going to try the Cobb next. I'll sell whichever I like the least, then I'm going to try out the STi or the SYMS with the full linkage replacement.
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Old 10-19-2000, 05:18 AM   #15
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The Cobb shifter now comes with bushings to raise the metal plate that the fork hits, so cutting isn't needed.

Someone asked what year model - I have a MY00 and had the plate in the way.

It wasn't a headache, just took a few extra minutes for the install.
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Old 10-19-2000, 09:00 AM   #16
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does anybody know if adding a short shifter rod will increase wear on the transmision? (dum dum ?) Will changing the whole linkage have a similar effect?
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Old 10-19-2000, 09:37 AM   #17
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I doubt either will affect the longevity of the tranny. However, you must be careful not to shift too fast. The Kartboy (and I'm sure the others) encourage you to shift faster as a result of the short throw. But the tranny just doesn't like to be rushed too much. If you try to force it, you could cause extra wear. But that's user error, not because of the design of the shifters.
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Old 10-19-2000, 11:19 AM   #18
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I am quite pleased with the Kartboy/Cusco combo.

One thing to note on my 2K GT I had to shim because the center barrell on the Kartboy is shorter than the center bushing. The shifter would travel on the center bushing from one side of the forked shifter linkage to the other side. This caused poor shifts when it was not center. The shims keep the shifter centered and have solved the problem. I emailed both Kartboy and Teagues (whom I bought it from) about the center barrell being shorter that a stock Legacy. Teagues verified the difference and thought it was unique to the new Legacy. Never heard from Kartboy.
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Old 10-19-2000, 04:42 PM   #19
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Old 10-19-2000, 04:46 PM   #20
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I have the SYMS and love it. I can't praise it enough.

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Old 10-20-2000, 07:53 PM   #22
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so, after reading all of the relpies, i'm wondering, have all the issues with grinding and plate rubbing, etc, been fixed?

also, does larry have an intake available for my98 yet?

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Old 10-21-2000, 10:10 AM   #23
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I've seen a short shifter advertised on the new Impreza brochure at the dealer. Is this the STI one? Is it any good?
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Old 10-21-2000, 03:28 PM   #24
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Might as well add my 2 cents. Today, I installed the Kartboy shifter and bushings in an RS that has the STi installed. Here is what I noticed. The shifter on the STi from where the bolt goes though to the ball socket is about the same length as Kartboy's. To be specific the STi is 0.06" longer (like I said the same really). These are both longer than the stock RS by a little less than 1/2". The height of the STi shifter is only slightly less than the OEM shifter where as the Kartboy shifter is a good bit shorter. As far as the bushings go. The STi and OEM RS look exactly the same. The STi one sort of feels a little stiffer but not by much. The Kartboy bushings are very stiff with no give at all. I drove the car after the install and it feels very similar to my setup that has the RS linkage, Kartboy shifter and Cusco bushings. I did take some pics and they will eventually end up on the AZScooby.com site but if anyone wants them before then just e-mail me directly.

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Old 10-21-2000, 05:09 PM   #25
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I have the cobb shifter,no cutting no problems, on a MY99 I love it. Best 100 bucks I have spent on the car yet!!
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