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Old 07-11-2004, 09:31 PM   #1
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My wheels come this comming friday but i got an email saying my lugnuts are on back order for two frikin weeks and I really need to get my car rolling because im sitting on the spare right now. Does anyone know if they will work for a couple weeks or should I order lugnuts from somewhere else ? And if so where is a good place ? Thanks ..

One more thing do I need hubcentric rings ? Wheels are rota torque.
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Old 07-11-2004, 11:04 PM   #2
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I wouldn't use the stock lug nuts on the rota's. They are not the correct type. The stock ones mount against a flat surface wheres as the Rota's require a tapered lug nut. They are nothing special, and your local tire shop should have them.
You do not need hubcentric rings,

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Old 07-11-2004, 11:38 PM   #3
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Right, do not use the stock ones. Get a set of spline drives or something to protect your new wheels.

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Old 07-12-2004, 01:39 AM   #4
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One more thing do I need hubcentric rings ? Wheels are rota torque.
pretty much all rota's for subaru are hubcentric now. the only ones that required the rings were the first sets that they came out with along time ago.
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Old 07-12-2004, 01:40 AM   #5
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I autocrossed a few times on stuck lugs with Subzeroes. Then again I am not worried about scratching that part of the wheels... I have McGards now though

edit, that's STOCK lugs

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Old 07-12-2004, 08:07 AM   #6
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Ok thanks guys . I guess I will have an extra set of lugs in two weeks
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Old 07-13-2004, 01:07 AM   #7
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somewhat OT but...

why is it bad to use aftermarket lugs on stock wheels?
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Old 07-13-2004, 08:39 AM   #8
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I believe you can find fairly cheap tuner type lug nuts in parts stores. I would probably get a set of those until the lug nuts you ordered come in. Then keep the cheap ones as backups, or sell them off. Shouldn't cost you very much. Lug nuts are just too important to take a risk by using the wrong type.
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Old 07-13-2004, 08:39 AM   #9
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Is it bad?
I am planning on using my splinedrives on my stock RS wheels this winter (have rota battle right now)

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why is it bad to use aftermarket lugs on stock wheels?
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Old 07-13-2004, 09:13 AM   #10
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Think of fitting square peg into a round hole. Or rather trying to screw a square nut into one cut for a round nut. Check out this too. A picture can be worth a thousand words. While it's true that you can screw the bolts on tight, they will not fit right if they are not of the correct shape.
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Old 07-13-2004, 09:28 AM   #11
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oh I see...thanks for the analogy. Good thing I did not throw my rusted OEM lugs away

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Think of fitting square peg into a round hole. Or rather trying to screw a square nut into one cut for a round nut. Check out this too. A picture can be worth a thousand words. While it's true that you can screw the bolts on tight, they will not fit right if they are not of the correct shape.
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Old 07-13-2004, 10:06 AM   #12
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Wow--lots of misinformation. A few clarifications:

1) The stock lug nuts have a 60 conical seat just like all the "tuner" lug nuts.
2) The first problem is that the total area of the seating surface is fairly small on the stock nuts
3) The other problem is that the holes in many aftermarket wheels are tight, and you can't get a 19mm socket deep enough in there.

Here is a pic of the stock nut on the left next to a "bulge" lugnut with a larger seating surface and a smaller 17mm hex to provide more socket clearance.

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Old 04-12-2007, 11:06 PM   #13
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What is the final answer? The stock ones will work, but aftermarket work better?
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Old 04-13-2007, 12:01 AM   #14
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They'll work, but like Bogert said, the aftermarket ones hava a wider seat area so they'll be in contact with the rim better.

I've done all the permutations, stock lugs/aftermarket rims, aftermarket lugs/stock rims, etc. I've also autocrossed and rallycrossed said setups with no problems. Not just one kind of rim; I've gone through around 4 different sets of rims on this car too

Torque them to the right spec and you'll be fine in the meantime
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Nope, run Mcguard SplineDrives

http://www.oakos.com/Merchant2/merch...gory_Code=1100
decent pricing too, great product.
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i ran the stock lugs on my rotas for a few days when the tire shop forgot to put the mcgard spline drives on. everything seemed fine.
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Old 04-14-2007, 07:27 AM   #17
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That's some good searching going on . Good job ! Don't see many search compliments on nasioc so thought I would add one . I never tried stock lugs on the rotas just went with mcguards . I have also been through threes set's of wheels since the rotas that I had back in 04 .
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bump, but I just realized that I've been running the stock lugs on my Rotas for the winter. they're fine, but I had a set of no name lugnuts for my summer set up (SSR Comps) and can't seem to find them anymore. Will the spline drives fit the comps?
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Bogert and rougeben are correct. Also hubcentric rings are not essential they only make it easier to put your wheels on.

The best answer in this thread:

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Wow--lots of misinformation. A few clarifications:

1) The stock lug nuts have a 60 conical seat just like all the "tuner" lug nuts.
2) The first problem is that the total area of the seating surface is fairly small on the stock nuts
3) The other problem is that the holes in many aftermarket wheels are tight, and you can't get a 19mm socket deep enough in there.

Here is a pic of the stock nut on the left next to a "bulge" lugnut with a larger seating surface and a smaller 17mm hex to provide more socket clearance.

EXCELLENT! 100% I like the bulge style and could never figure out why the factory designed lug nuts with such a small surface area? I think all the OEM wheels have steel inserts which is more durable then just the aluminum. I wonder what percentage of our members are running aluminum verses steel lugs and I am sure only a few have Ti.
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" I think all the OEM wheels have steel inserts"
nope for a fact the regular 16x6.5 100pcd subaru wheels do not have steel seats, to my direct knowledge my compomotives have steel seats. IIRC someone posted a photo showing the forged BBS wheels have steel seats too.
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nope for a fact the regular 16x6.5 100pcd subaru wheels do not have steel seats, to my direct knowledge my compomotives have steel seats. IIRC someone posted a photo showing the forged BBS wheels have steel seats too.
the 06/07 wheels have steel seats, too.
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My wheels come this comming friday but i got an email saying my lugnuts are on back order for two frikin weeks and I really need to get my car rolling because im sitting on the spare right now. Does anyone know if they will work for a couple weeks or should I order lugnuts from somewhere else ? And if so where is a good place ? Thanks ..

One more thing do I need hubcentric rings ? Wheels are rota torque.
same thing happened to me when i bought my RAYS gramlights 57S rims, so I went to NAPA and they hooked me up. The ones i bought from NAPA looked like the picture above fit way better into the rims because of the large "buldge" which looked to hold the rim much better than stock lugs that barely made contact with the rim at all. i wouldnt feel safe driving with the stock lugs on these particular rims at all.

but you should be able to pick up a set of lugs at any NAPA or autostore if you had to, i didnt feel like waiting either!
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Old 07-22-2007, 11:04 PM   #25
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I've used the stock logs on rotas before. However, I had to use a thinwalled 19mm socket to put them on.

If you need lug nuts, go to any good tire/wheel store and they should have some that fit. I got a set of gorilla splined lug nuts from Discount Tire.

Just make sure they are the correct thread pitch.
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